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Title: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: Steam Freak on August 07, 2008, 04:33:57 AM
I remember a long time ago trying to get Bachmann to release such larger engines as a 2-10-4, but everyone back then complained that it wouldn't be able to take curves for a "typical layout".

What made Bachmann change their mind?  If you guys can build this, does this mean a Southern Pacific 4-10-2 is *actually* a possibility now?

*See pictures bottom of thread.*


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: SteamGene on August 07, 2008, 08:12:34 AM
The old Bachmann 2-10-4 could take 18 inch curves because of wheel travel - but that doesn't mean it looked good on it.  The same is true today. 
The curve a locomotive will take depends more on who made it than the wheel arrangement.  I have a C&O K-3 - heavy Mikado - which is very finicky on very broad curves - mostly shorting of cab against tender. 
Gene


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Santa Fe buff on August 07, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
And you don't see 22" E-Z track neither. And It's worse to see my friend's Daylight take 18" track.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Pacific Northern on August 07, 2008, 04:23:33 PM
Santa Fe buff

And you don't see 22" E-Z track neither. And It's worse to see my friend's Daylight take 18" track

What are you talking about?

There is 22" E-Z track available. Check the Product section.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 07, 2008, 05:40:29 PM
Santa Fe buff

And you don't see 22" E-Z track neither. And It's worse to see my friend's Daylight take 18" track

What are you talking about?

There is 22" E-Z track available. Check the Product section.


It goes all the way up to 35" E-Z Track.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 07, 2008, 05:43:50 PM
Anyway, what about the 4-10-2 idea? Surely if Bachmann can make a 2-10-4, he can make a 4-10-2?  Same amount of wheels, just different configuration and different engine. (Has 3rd cylinder under pilot)

(http://www.trainweb.org/rlhs/collection/UP_locomotives/s-sp-5021-1.jpg)

Brass Engine Picture:
(http://www.railgallery-r.com/image_usN/2_N_Key_SP_SP3_5047.jpg)

Another Brass Engine picture:
(http://www.railgallery-r.com/image_us_Br/2_HO_PSC_170301UP_4-10-2.jpg)


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: kenp on August 07, 2008, 06:59:00 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like the 4-8-4 boiler with a different frame, and of course, not spectrum. I'd love to se that SP 4-10-2 in spectrum, but it's probably to "road specific" for them!


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Santa Fe buff on August 07, 2008, 11:03:17 PM
Santa Fe buff

And you don't see 22" E-Z track neither. And It's worse to see my friend's Daylight take 18" track

What are you talking about?

There is 22" E-Z track available. Check the Product section.


It goes all the way up to 35" E-Z Track.
Well I know now. So it does, I'm buying me some  35"!


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 08, 2008, 06:43:54 AM
Unfortunately, it looks like the 4-8-4 boiler with a different frame, and of course, not spectrum. I'd love to se that SP 4-10-2 in spectrum, but it's probably to "road specific" for them!

Oh yes.........They would make up something.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Santa Fe buff on August 08, 2008, 03:41:40 PM
What, now your against Spectrum?! :o
 >:( For shame.
But if your just saying that as a joke- :-\ Um, well uh.

But I'm sure that if Bachmann did make it wrong, they would release it again with it corrected, and I'm sure that if Bachmann does do all this, it wouldn't be our call anyway, think of how hard the US economy is. I'm sure Bachmann doesn't want to waste too much money in things that may not sell. I think further research is needed before consideration....or comments.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: SteamGene on August 08, 2008, 04:05:32 PM
What, know your against Spectrum?!

Do you mean:  "What, now you're against Spectrum?!" ? 
The first almost makes sense, but is strange.  The second is correct and makes sense. 
Gene


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Jake on August 09, 2008, 06:29:22 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like the 4-8-4 boiler with a different frame, and of course, not spectrum. I'd love to se that SP 4-10-2 in spectrum, but it's probably to "road specific" for them!


*cough*That'showtheprototypeoneswere*cough* ;)


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 10, 2008, 03:02:38 AM
I'm sure Bachmann doesn't want to waste too much money in things that may not sell.

Bachmann has already done that, so what have they got to loose ;)  Maybe this one would sell? I know many people who want a 4-10-2 for HO thats cheaper than brass. And you can barely find the ones now that ARE brass.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 14, 2008, 01:54:34 AM
I would kind of like to hear on what Mr. Bachmann says about this, if that's aright?


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Santa Fe buff on August 14, 2008, 09:32:16 PM
What, know your against Spectrum?!

Do you mean:  "What, now you're against Spectrum?!" ? 
The first almost makes sense, but is strange.  The second is correct and makes sense. 
Gene
Sorry Gene,
I fixed it.

I would kind of like to hear on what Mr. Bachmann says about this, if that's aright?
Sure why not, I'm interested in hearing from the 'MANN', the BACH-MANN, after all, it's very fun to see what they think of our ideas.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: the Bach-man on August 15, 2008, 01:20:04 AM
Dear All,
I already posted: I think the 2-10-4 is a great buy, and will do very well.
Have fun!
the Bach-man


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 15, 2008, 07:33:56 AM
Dear All,
I already posted: I think the 2-10-4 is a great buy, and will do very well.
Have fun!
the Bach-man

We are talking about a 4-10-2, if you have read my post.  :-\


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Pacific Northern on August 15, 2008, 02:27:17 PM
Steam Freak

It seems as though most readers missed the point of your post, the possibility of the 4-10-2.

I for one would be very interested in these engines being available in the Spectrum line. The big question being what would the prototype be?


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting...
Post by: Steam Freak on August 16, 2008, 12:55:17 AM
Steam Freak

It seems as though most readers missed the point of your post, the possibility of the 4-10-2.

I for one would be very interested in these engines being available in the Spectrum line. The big question being what would the prototype be?

Theres a couple good prototypes. Both UP and SP had 4-10-2's. I gave some picture examples on the first page. But I like the look of this one the most:

(http://www.railgallery-r.com/image_us_Br/2_HO_PSC_170301UP_4-10-2.jpg)


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: japasha on August 16, 2008, 11:13:52 AM
The 4-10-2 is a unique locomotive. Only the UP and SP had them outside of a Baldwin demonstrator.

The problem is the long wheelbase. It's the same problem the SP had, it was just too rigid for the Sierras so they went to the valley and the sunset routes and coast route and performed very well there.

I have the brass models and they require excellent trackwork and #8 switches. I'm sure Bachmann can do better than a minimum radius of 32 inches.

The problem with a four wheel lead truck is that the pivot of the front truck is part of the wheelbase, unlike a twoi wheel lead truck


The Santa Fe 4-8-4 and 2-10-4 were designed to use the same basic Baldwin boiler to improve cost reductions at overhaul time. . Either configuration  is a powerful, exciting locomotive to see in operation.

I have a pair of Bachmann 2-10-4 with a power conversion in each and a 4-8-4 with a Bowser conversion.  The pancake motors are junk. The new units with the gearbox and more conventional motor are good but not all that powerful.

Kids like to see the large locomotives run, I guess that's why everyone wants the big gun on their layout. My locomotives with the power conversions will pull 60 cars on level track, more than enough to get the club to get mad because I'm using two blocks on their layout.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: grumpy on August 17, 2008, 01:59:16 AM
Japasha
I have one of the junk Bachman 2-10-4 . What was your power conversion. I would like to run it on track rather than have it on display.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: japasha on August 17, 2008, 03:11:34 PM
Grumpy,

The conversions are from PMD. pmd@zoominternet.net. They cost about $140 but are very smooth runners. The conversion is pretty easy, the hardest part is making the tender into a pickup.

Nelson Pattison makes these every so often so you might have to wait. On the club layout next to a PFM brass mmodel it is hard to tell what is what. Pattison makes the three inside drivers blind for tight operation. Otherwise 36 inch radius is required.

Theframe is milled brass with new side rods and a large DC-71 motor. Drivers are Bowser so if you want no blind drivers it is easy to change.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: Steam Freak on August 17, 2008, 10:13:09 PM
I agree Japasha :-) 


What does Mr. Bachmann think about a 4-10-2?  Same numbers as the 2-10-4, but switched around and a different engine.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: Santa Fe buff on August 18, 2008, 11:28:36 AM
Dear Steam Freak,
   Interesting topic, I was just thinking the same thing. Although, a lot counts. I say it's a good idea for another great engine.

Sincerely,
   Josh B.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: Steam Freak on August 18, 2008, 04:29:28 PM
Dear Steam Freak,
   Interesting topic, I was just thinking the same thing. Although, a lot counts. I say it's a good idea for another great engine.

Sincerely,
   Josh B.

Definitely. But I would still like to hear Mr. Bachmann's word on this.


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: the Bach-man on August 18, 2008, 11:03:06 PM
Dear Freak,
It's an unlikely candidate due to it's uniqueness and rarity.
Have fun!
the Bach-man


Title: Re: A 2-10-4 eh? Interesting... Or what about 4-10-2?
Post by: Steam Freak on August 20, 2008, 01:52:35 AM
Dear Freak,
It's an unlikely candidate due to it's uniqueness and rarity.
Have fun!
the Bach-man

Oh, I would have thought the On30 Railbus and Trailer was pretty unique and rare too, but ok.