HAs anyone bought or installed soundtraxx sound in a bachmann DCC no sound loco? What is required besdies the decoderr and speaker? Can you attach it to current DCC board in tender?
It depends on the decoder. Bachmann steam locomotives have an NMRA eight pin socket. If the decoder has an NMRA eight pin plug, it's plug it in, though you may (probably will) have to cut the capacitors.
Gene
A few model railroaders that I asked this same question advised me to replace the Bachmann DCC decoders in my Spectrum steamers with a DCC Sound decoder.
It appears the general consensus is that the Bachmann DCC decoders are best described as entry level. If you want sound then replace the Bachmann DCC decoders rather than adding a sound only decoder..
Check with the various DCC Sound decoder manufactures, most manufactures advise to clip the capacitors found on the PC board of the Bachmann Spectrums.
I can only speak for the Richmond 4-4-0 and low boiler 4-6-0. The 4-4-0 was DCC equipped, no sound. The tender frame was ready for a one inch speaker. I removed the decoder and PC board. I installed a Micro-Tsunami decoder. Tight fit.
The 4-6-0 was DCC Ready, no decoder. No speaker holes in the frame. You have to make your own holes for the speaker or install the speaker facing up in the coal load. I choose the latter, installing an oval speaker. I removed the PC board and I also used a Micro-Tsunami decoder. Tight fit also.
Both installations where hard wired.
Rich
Dear Steamman,
I have just returned from Durango where I attended a Dealer Training Session. During the course, along with twenty one dealers, I installed a Tsunami in a Bachmann Heavy Mountain. All that was required was the decoder, the speaker, an eight pin plug, and moderate soldering skills. Ability to follow logical directions will also help.
Try it- it's easier than you think!
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Quote from: the Bach-man on August 21, 2008, 10:34:43 PM
Dear Steamman,
I have just returned from Durango where I attended a Dealer Training Session. During the course, along with twenty one dealers, I installed a Tsunami in a Bachmann Heavy Mountain. All that was required was the decoder, the speaker, an eight pin plug, and moderate soldering skills. Ability to follow logical directions will also help.
Try it- it's easier than you think!
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Mr. B
The question is installing sound in a Bachmann DCC equipped steam engine. Replace the existing DCC decoder with a sound unit or add a sound only decoder to the existing DCC decoder.
How do you wire in a sound only decoder to an existing decoder? Piggyback?
The Bach-man apparently soldered an 8 pin plug to the decoder wires, to make it plug and play with the existing plug on the board. Isn't the Tsunami decoder available with the plug already in place? Or do they only come with flying leads?
I believe the Tsunami has wire leads on a JST plug. You can get a JST harness with an 8-pin plug to avoid soldering on this end.
When will the factories stop their stupid connector war and just use the standard NMRA 8 pin plug?
There is no 8 pin NMRA plug on the Tsunami wires. At the decoder end of the wires, there is a 9 pin JST connector. Cut back the shrink on the decoder and you will find the wires connected to a 9 pins JST connector. Remove the connector and plug in a JST connector if that is what the loco has. So far as I can see, the Spectrum's have a PC board with constant lighting components and a 8 pin NMRA socket. Solder a 8 pin plug to the Tsunami wires and plug in the connector on the PC board.
Make sure to clip the capacitors.
On the opposite end of the Tsunami are wires for the speaker and keep alive capacitor.
No big deal.
The Micro-Tsunami has no connectors at all.
Change is inevitable, struggle is an option.
Rich
Rich - does cutting the shrink wrap void the warranty on the Tsunami? I think I read that somewhere.
Gene
Apparently the male connector on the Tsunami decoder is the same as on the Digitrax DH, except on the DH, it is not already plugged into the female JST harness and covered with shrink. The decoder and harness are loose in the package.
If I cut back the shrink and unplug the JST, then the Tsunami would plug directly into my Roundhouse loco, which has a prewired harness terminated with a JST 9 pin female. Why cover the adapter with shrink? One more plug means one more chance for a bad connection and trouble, and having to cut the shrink could damage the decoder. This isn't "change", it's lunacy. I'll use the micro, thank you.
For those not familiar with connectors, the female is normally a recessed socket, the male has the pins protruding and exposed, just like inserting the PLUG on a power cord (portable) into a wall SOCKET or receptacle (fixed). The JST concept was to have the male pins protected by a shroud, to avoid shorting the pins, particulary on lithium battery packs, which can explode if shorted. However most battery packs come with female JSTs which can be shorted on one side, more lunacy.
I seldom use the term "socket", and to me the term "plug" means anything with connectors. So even though the male looks like a socket, it is still a male, and though the female looks like a plug, it is still a female.
What do you mean, "Keep alive capacitor"?
Dear Steamman,
out with the old, in with the new.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Quote from: the Bach-man on August 21, 2008, 10:34:43 PM
Dear Steamman,
I have just returned from Durango where I attended a Dealer Training Session. During the course, along with twenty one dealers, I installed a Tsunami in a Bachmann Heavy Mountain. All that was required was the decoder, the speaker, an eight pin plug, and moderate soldering skills. Ability to follow logical directions will also help.
Try it- it's easier than you think!
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Checking the Heavy Mountain Spectrum steam I noticed that it comes in two versions DCC Ready or with DCC and Sound installed.
Quote from: SteamGene on August 22, 2008, 06:23:38 PM
Rich - does cutting the shrink wrap void the warranty on the Tsunami? I think I read that somewhere.
Gene
I read in the Yahoo SoundTraxx forum that this does not void the warranty if only enough is cut to expose the connector.
Bruce at Litchfield Station or Tony's Trains can comment on this issue.
Rich
Quote from: the Bach-man on August 22, 2008, 10:26:27 PM
Dear Steamman,
out with the old, in with the new.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Does this not mean you remove the existing DCC unit and replace it with the DCC/Sound unit?
Mr. B can you please clarify if you are piggy backing the two decoders or only using one?
Dear PN,
Yes, remove the DCC decoder and replace it with a sound decoder.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
I have done several. This one was different as it was a reverse engineering job. I was taking a Bachmann OEM decoder out of a rectangular tender 2-6-6-2 and fitting it into a 21VC vanderbilt tender. You get this with the J-2 class mountain but not for the 2-6-6-2 and C&O had more than a few that used the 21VC tender. the following pictures show how I installed the twin speakers, 1W 40x16 rectangular panasonic speakers, in the tender.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/DSCF0285.jpg%5B/Iimg%5D%3Cbr%20/%3ESlot%20milled%20in%20the%20bottom%20of%20the%20chassis%20to%20let%20the%20sound%20out.%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Bimg%5Dhttp://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/DSCF0286.jpg)
Test fitting the speakers to ensure orientation is correct.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/DSCF0287.jpg)
Speakers now mounted. I used a latex bathroom sealant to glue the speakers to the chassis. This sealant provides a nice flexable membrane that seal really well.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/DSCF0288.jpg)
Wire added . Speakers are mounted in series.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/DSCF0289.jpg)
End seals fitted using the latexant sealant. It's important to make sure the back of the speaker is sealed off from the front. I don't use baffles or sound boxes instead I use the tender shell as the sound box. I just ensure the tender has no air leaks.
(http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p18/Ozzie21trains/DSCF0396.jpg)
Finished loco sitting under my coal plant.
Regards
Charles Emerson
Queensland
Australia
Quote from: steamman64 on August 21, 2008, 03:48:34 PM
HAs anyone bought or installed soundtraxx sound in a bachmann DCC no sound loco? What is required besdies the decoderr and speaker? Can you attach it to current DCC board in tender?