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Title: Old dead horse
Post by: The Old Fardt on September 21, 2008, 04:46:35 PM
Okay  Where do I sign a petition for the elusive HEISLER ??


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Dusten Barefoot on September 21, 2008, 05:52:45 PM
I guess you would sign up here. Just pester the mess out of them til' they make the engine. You got my vote on it. It would be better than seeing a k-27 made. ;D
Rock ON!
Dusten


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 21, 2008, 07:27:57 PM
I guess you would sign up here. Just pester the mess out of them til' they make the engine. You got my vote on it. It would be better than seeing a k-27 made. ;D
Rock ON!
Dusten
While I disagree with this statement I would like to see this locomotive.They will probaly do it in HO first then ON30 like they did with the shay and climax.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: br549 on September 21, 2008, 07:34:10 PM
The page with the K27 's Petition... ;)
You beat the Heisler dead horse and I will beat the K27 dead horse, hows that for team work.  there is room for both on this list ;D


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Steve Magee on September 21, 2008, 08:27:44 PM
I think we need both the Heisler and the K-27 - immediately after the Baldwin 2-6-2 tank loco and a Garratt.  :)

Steve


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Woody Elmore on September 22, 2008, 09:26:16 AM
Some of us are beating the drum for an EBT engine. There are enough Colorado engines around.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Hamish K on September 22, 2008, 09:42:56 AM
I thought this was a thread about Heislers, not a general wish list. I am getting a bit sick of the same people jumping in with the same requests whatever the topic - unfortunately in the case of the 4-6-0 this tactic was apparently rewarded (I say apparently as the Bach Man denies that they were influenced by it). If the thread  is about a particular locomotive can we please  keep comments to that locomotive, either for or against making it, suggestions as to which particular one to model and  etc.

Hamish


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: The Old Fardt on September 22, 2008, 10:00:53 AM
I guess you would sign up here. Just pester the mess out of them til' they make the engine. You got my vote on it. It would be better than seeing a k-27 made. ;D
Rock ON!
Dusten

No !  Getting people pixxed off is a BAD route to go..

The Old Fardt


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: max (uk) on September 22, 2008, 11:47:46 AM
Now where have I heard this before...

Yeh, I would like a Heisler too :)


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: mmiller on September 22, 2008, 07:34:10 PM
Some of us are beating the drum for an EBT engine. There are enough Colorado engines around.

ya...that ONE Bachmann Colorado engine is one too many huh  ;D

seriously, I don't model Colorado either, but I just don't see very many On30 "Colorado" locos available with Bachmann's quality or price...and you know if you can scare up 300/400 reservation MMI (Precision Scale) would probably be more than happy to make up some On30 EBT engines for you   ;)


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: railtwister on September 23, 2008, 10:35:17 AM
While I'm not particularly interested in an On30 Heisler at this time (especially if it's going to suffer from the typical 'split gear syndrome' so common with existing Shays & Climaxes),
I think the LAST thing we need in On30 is duplicated products, and the K-27 would be just that. If you want a K-27 so bad, put your money where your mouth is - go out and get yourself one of the MMI models. Just don't saddle the rest of us in On30 with even more unsold K's sitting on the dealer's shelves!

Bill


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Linzthom on September 23, 2008, 04:07:40 PM
Pick me. Pick me !!!  ;D ;D ;D I'd love a wee Heisler.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 23, 2008, 06:53:43 PM
While I'm not particularly interested in an On30 Heisler at this time (especially if it's going to suffer from the typical 'split gear syndrome' so common with existing Shays & Climaxes),
I think the LAST thing we need in On30 is duplicated products, and the K-27 would be just that. If you want a K-27 so bad, put your money where your mouth is - go out and get yourself one of the MMI models. Just don't saddle the rest of us in On30 with even more unsold K's sitting on the dealer's shelves!

Bill
I don't have space for the 26" radius curves required by these locomotives.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Woody Elmore on September 24, 2008, 09:57:51 AM
Hamish - Any engine that Bachmann makes in On30 is a step forward and will be a good thing. I think a Heisler is a great idea.

Sorry my prattling on and on for an EBT engine raised your hackles.

I think the Bachmann folks are realizing there may be a growing market and I'm sure that they are aware of the requests for specific engines.

A Heisler would definitely be right at home with the smaller equipment typical of On30.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Tomcat on September 25, 2008, 12:19:10 AM
Sure, again that olīHorse we are beating that hard...
A HEISLER would be a cool thing to have for all those Loggers out there...

If one asks me - the Fn3 Heisler would be pretty cool to have - OR: Take the West Side Engine which would be one of my favorites.

Tom ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Hamish K on September 25, 2008, 02:07:29 AM
Sorry my prattling on and on for an EBT engine raised your hackles.


Woody

I don't object to you asking for an EBT engine even though I have no interest in one. My objection was to the practice of hijacking a thread on one topic to campaign for something different. This has become a common practice on this board and I find it annoying. You are by no means the worst offender, my comment was on the practice in general, not your post in particular (apart from it being an example of this).

Hamish


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Royce Wilson on September 25, 2008, 09:30:13 AM
A good friend of mine,Mal Ferrell(Mallory Hope Ferrell) once said" there is no such thing as a ugly narrow gauge steam engine"

build it Bachmann!!

                                                         Royce Wilson


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 25, 2008, 07:12:34 PM
If you did a West Side Locomotive I would get one (might have to do a little switching layout for it) how-ever I would still prefer a Colorado locomotive.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: C.S.R.R. Manager on September 25, 2008, 09:56:34 PM
With any of these discussions, it helps to remember two things.  OK, three:

1. It usually takes 2-3 years to get a loco from idea to a finished product.  So, Bachmann probably knows what they will be making up through 2010 or 2011.

2. One of the reasons Bachmann pays for and monitors this board is to hear what folks like us think, to help guide their decisions beyond 2011.  It's called market research.

3. Being obnoxious does not help get your suggestion to the front of the line.  Polite persistence does.


Manager


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: The Old Fardt on September 25, 2008, 10:22:00 PM
3. Being obnoxious does not help get your suggestion to the front of the line.  Polite persistence does.

Oh really ?

TOF


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: C.S.R.R. Manager on September 26, 2008, 11:47:57 AM
You're right, O.F., I didn't phrase that very well.  Polite persistence helps, in my opinion, but it's not the only factor in Bachmann's decision process.  My point was that polite persistence is probably preferred over pestering as a way to make your wishes known. 


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: morrisf on September 26, 2008, 03:07:48 PM
I think a thousand people each asking once for something would probably bring better response than one person asking a thousand times.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: amdaylight on September 26, 2008, 11:43:38 PM
When I talked to Lee in Portalnd about the Heisler it sounded like the Heisler was pretty far down the list to maybe not even on it. :(

I Really liked the new 4-6-0 ;D :o  that is coming, why it is not coming with sound is beyond me though.

Keep pestering maybe we can move the Heisler up the list.

Andre


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: steinked on September 27, 2008, 04:51:30 AM
I switched from H0n30 to 0n30 because Bachmann made the Shay available at an affordable price. I was happy when they offered the Climax. To me it is obvious to complete the set of geared engines with a Heisler and I don't understand why Bachmann hesitates to give us one. Requests for a Heisler have been posted in the old Bachmann forum (by me as well) years ago and ever since.

Mr. B.: There are lots of industrial narrow gaugers waiting for something different than an American or a Ten Wheeler or Colorado main line steam: Please, fill the gap and build the Heisler!

Dieter Steinke



Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: br549 on September 27, 2008, 09:57:29 AM
How about a Locomotive & rolling stock  " wish list" being compiled as a whole rather then small random requests that end up in turmoil being ignored . Here is a sample of my idea, get the idea fellow modelers to agree on what we would all want to request with no sour childish comments allowed "A basic list" with no first or last to be produced by the listing #.  We need a  spokesperson for the job that has the dignity and the diplomacy for such .   Do we have any volunteers? :)
Here is a sample of such...
1. 2-6-0
2. Heisler
3.K27
4. ten wheeler
5. framed tank car


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Royce Wilson on September 27, 2008, 11:03:21 AM
What I don't understand is the people asking for a K-27 in On30?

that was a standard gauge engine converted to narrow gauge and the track needs all the width it can get or the engine will look silly like its going to tip over.
a lot of people entered into this scale because of the ease of modeling,I could not stand building a turnout!  but now RTR turnouts are made in On3.

2-6-0...we allready have one, there has been a lot of talk of updating this model, but if Bachmann does this do we loose a inexpensive entry level engine?

Heisler...no argumen here

tenwheeler, has allready been anounced. I think when this engine hits the market there will be a lot of happy people,this is a pretty engine!

framed tank car, no argument. make the framless while you are at it.

I would like to add one to the list, the Aussie Puffing Billy was beautiful Baldwin tank engine that was 30" it will be at home on allmost any little railroad.
I will agree with the last poster. I don't know where the shay ranks on sales, but that is one nice engine. just think 10 years ago you had to pay around a grand or more to own one....are we spoiled? ::)

Royce Wilson


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: The Old Fardt on September 27, 2008, 12:32:47 PM
I guess for one, I should have made the title of this topic, Old Dead Iron Horse.
But that is hind sight..

I never mind the hijacking of threads or subjects as something just might come out of it that's good.

Really strange that B-mann made all three loggers in Goofy Gauge in relative short time span. And On30 ?

Well I can wait as there is no other choice in this matter.
NO whimpers or whining. :'(

TOF



Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 27, 2008, 06:39:49 PM
What I don't understand is the people asking for a K-27 in On30?

that was a standard gauge engine converted to narrow gauge and the track needs all the width it can get or the engine will look silly like its going to tip over.
a lot of people entered into this scale because of the ease of modeling,I could not stand building a turnout!  but now RTR turnouts are made in On3.

2-6-0...we allready have one, there has been a lot of talk of updating this model, but if Bachmann does this do we loose a inexpensive entry level engine?
Royce Wilson
1. don't have space or money for ON3    2. $160 dollars is not an entry level locomotive if you ask me(although it is cheeper than a lot of the other locomotives) but still there are a lot more people that want an up-graded one compared to those who won't pay for it. If it were to go any-thing like it has in HO it wouldn't raise the price much more than a few dollars to add DCC.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Royce Wilson on September 27, 2008, 08:02:33 PM
I guess there is really no intrest in the puffing billy engine so I guess I will just be quite about it. ???


Royce Wilson


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 27, 2008, 08:53:40 PM
I guess there is really no intrest in the puffing billy engine so I guess I will just be quite about it. ???


Royce Wilson
Must of us don't have any insterest but that does not mean you should give up.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Linzthom on September 28, 2008, 01:24:47 AM
Well it seems there isn't going to be a Heisler any time soon. So I succumed to a Ridge Road Station Climax that they had for sale earlier this week at US$75.

But as soon as a Heisler turns up ; it is bye, bye Climax hello you loverly Heisler................


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Tomcat on September 28, 2008, 02:03:19 AM
Folks,

to bring it back to the Heisler - dīsay we will definitely see one coming from Bachmann, thatīs no question for me. Well, but no one can say us when - but this means no problem since we have received pretty new models from Bachmann shortly...

We do know that Bachmann loves geared engines, so please be gentle. There will be a Heisler. We all can count on that.

Cheers, Tom ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: max (uk) on September 28, 2008, 04:58:55 AM
I guess there is really no intrest in the puffing billy engine so I guess I will just be quite about it. ???


Royce Wilson

I would be interested in one if they made one, as I was thinking we need some kind of tank engine (not including the Forney for its swinging truck).

With a bit of artistic licence it would look perfect on my layout. Make one with RTR sound and bingo it would be my favorate loco on my layout (with a Heisler aswell ;))

However I do not know of these engines runing in the US. So could Bachmann make a Baldwin caterlogue style tank engine? I would also quite like to see the baldwin USArmy 2-6-2 that was suggested on an earlier thread.

So my wish list would be(in order of interest):

A Heisler (inside framed bogies please)
A tank engine, so eather (in order of interest):
A Baldwin 4-6-0 used in WWI
A USArmy 2-6-2 (might be a way to convert it into a 4-6-0)
A Puffing Billy 2-6-2
A big diesel: something like a narrow gauge verstion of the HO 70 tonner
A logging Mallat 2-4-4-2 tender engine or a 2-6-6-2 tank engine (just like the G scale one)

I think that is about all I would ask for as long as I model On30. (Im waiting for some RTR O 16.5  :P)

Oh a rolling stock wise: just a 4 wheel caboose would be nice!


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Andreas.K on September 28, 2008, 07:27:59 AM
Hello from Germany,
my interest is Narrow Gauge 0n30 or 750/760 mm , not Colorado Size.Logging and Mining asset is great.
My Favorites and desires,

1. Heisler
2.Baldwin 4.6.0 War Dept. WW 1(same Accucraft G-Engine ) for Amerika and European Market !
3.Shay 38 to.  ( same Bachmann G-Engine )
4.Logging Mallet
5.Porter 040 and 042 with DCC-Ready
6.Logging Rolling Stock

Regards, Andreas


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: railtwister on September 29, 2008, 10:47:46 AM
While I'm not particularly interested in an On30 Heisler at this time (especially if it's going to suffer from the typical 'split gear syndrome' so common with existing Shays & Climaxes),
I think the LAST thing we need in On30 is duplicated products, and the K-27 would be just that. If you want a K-27 so bad, put your money where your mouth is - go out and get yourself one of the MMI models. Just don't saddle the rest of us in On30 with even more unsold K's sitting on the dealer's shelves!

I don't have space for the 26" radius curves required by these locomotives.

Are you saying then, that you WOULD have space for one built by Bachmann? Keep in mind that radius capability of any loco is a function of several things such as rigid wheelbase length, wheel diameter & spacing, number of flanged drivers, and back to back spacing of the wheels. Most of these items are dictated by the prototype dimensions, and even if Bachmann DID make a K-27, it would likely have a similar radius capability to the MMI On30 model, unless they made major deviations from scale dimensions (besides going from 36" gauge to 30"). Also, deviating in gauge from 36" to 30" only exacerbates these issues!

Regards,
Bill Nielsen
Oakland Park, FL USA


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 29, 2008, 11:54:18 AM
While I'm not particularly interested in an On30 Heisler at this time (especially if it's going to suffer from the typical 'split gear syndrome' so common with existing Shays & Climaxes),
I think the LAST thing we need in On30 is duplicated products, and the K-27 would be just that. If you want a K-27 so bad, put your money where your mouth is - go out and get yourself one of the MMI models. Just don't saddle the rest of us in On30 with even more unsold K's sitting on the dealer's shelves!

I don't have space for the 26" radius curves required by these locomotives.

Are you saying then, that you WOULD have space for one built by Bachmann? Keep in mind that radius capability of any loco is a function of several things such as rigid wheelbase length, wheel diameter & spacing, number of flanged drivers, and back to back spacing of the wheels. Most of these items are dictated by the prototype dimensions, and even if Bachmann DID make a K-27, it would likely have a similar radius capability to the MMI On30 model, unless they made major deviations from scale dimensions (besides going from 36" gauge to 30"). Also, deviating in gauge from 36" to 30" only exacerbates these issues!

Regards,
Bill Nielsen
Oakland Park, FL USA
I think that Bachmann could make one of these that could go around 22" curves. They made the OF 2-8-0 and that can go around 18" curves( I have heard that it can go around curves as sharp as 12" but have not seen it myself). Being that a K-27 is not that much larger than the OF 2-8-0 I don't think that 22" is not possible.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: ebtnut on September 29, 2008, 01:50:24 PM
How about this as a prototype for a Heisler?  http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=252475&nseq=51

I think she's small enough that she would look OK on On30 wheels. 


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Linzthom on September 29, 2008, 03:21:37 PM
yeah. That's real pretty. Just the right size but the colour scheme would have to be gotten rid of. Makes want to barf


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: ebtnut on September 30, 2008, 01:42:56 PM
Well, of course we would want the model in basic black.  Tourist roads tend to over-do the decoration.  I suppose they believe that it is more kid-friendly or something.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: br549 on September 30, 2008, 05:31:22 PM
If you want a K-27 so bad, put your money where your mouth is - go out and get yourself one of the MMI models. Just don't saddle the rest of us in On30 with even more unsold K's sitting on the dealer's shelves!

Bill
"Yo Bill"  FYI MMI is sold out of K27's  :P   Not a good seller eh? ;D


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: railtwister on September 30, 2008, 06:51:27 PM

"Yo Bill"  FYI MMI is sold out of K27's  :P   Not a good seller eh? ;D


Since they are still available at local dealers, I don't consider them "sold out". I might ask, how many years has it been since they were first available? And even if they were sold out, how many additional sales are still left out there? Let's not forget that MMI had the distinct marketing advantage of being the first to offer an On30 K-27, something Bachmann will not have. I made no comment about them being a good or bad seller, merely that they are still on the shelves at some dealers (and dealers don't like to see merchandise sitting on shelves for years).

Bill


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: railtwister on September 30, 2008, 07:09:11 PM
I think that Bachmann could make one of these that could go around 22" curves. They made the OF 2-8-0 and that can go around 18" curves( I have heard that it can go around curves as sharp as 12" but have not seen it myself). Being that a K-27 is not that much larger than the OF 2-8-0 I don't think that 22" is not possible.


While it may be possible that Bachmann MIGHT be able engineer it to go around a sharper curve than 26", that doesn't mean it wouldn't look even more out of place on such sharp curves. As it is the MMI model looks pretty odd on 26-28" curves, and both my Forneys and  OF 2-8-0 look out of place on 24" curves (30" would look much better). Don't get me wrong, I really love the Forneys, and I would much rather see Bachmann do a SR&RL #24 2-6-2, which hasn't already been done by someone else in On30.

Bill


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: NelsOn-30 on September 30, 2008, 08:38:58 PM
EBTNut's gaudy Heisler can look good and show the suitability.

Copy & paste the photo into an editing program and convert it into black & white.

It is a good looking locomotive without the colour.

A smallish On30 Heisler is at the top of my list.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Frisco on September 30, 2008, 08:48:24 PM
I think that Bachmann could make one of these that could go around 22" curves. They made the OF 2-8-0 and that can go around 18" curves( I have heard that it can go around curves as sharp as 12" but have not seen it myself). Being that a K-27 is not that much larger than the OF 2-8-0 I don't think that 22" is not possible.


While it may be possible that Bachmann MIGHT be able engineer it to go around a sharper curve than 26", that doesn't mean it wouldn't look even more out of place on such sharp curves. As it is the MMI model looks pretty odd on 26-28" curves, and both my Forneys and  OF 2-8-0 look out of place on 24" curves (30" would look much better). Don't get me wrong, I really love the Forneys, and I would much rather see Bachmann do a SR&RL #24 2-6-2, which hasn't already been done by someone else in On30.

Bill
Since you have made it clear that you don't want one than why does it mader to you what it will look like. If I can run a K-27 than I don't mind not having it look perfect.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: br549 on October 01, 2008, 07:17:14 PM
None found "In stock" ...   :P


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: railtwister on October 01, 2008, 09:46:09 PM
None found "In stock" ...   :P


If you call these guys, they have at least one #454 in stock - on display (I saw it there today). Use the phone, not their website, & ask for either John Sabol (train dept mgr) or Ron. Price was over $400 but less than $500 (sorry I don't remember exactly). They also have several K-28's and C-19's on display if you're interested. Good luck!

Warrick Custom Hobbies
7676 Peters Rd
Plantation, FL 33324
Phone: (954) 370-0708

Regards,
Bill Nielsen
Oakland Park, FL  U$A


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Tomcat on October 02, 2008, 01:34:33 PM
Well, folks - most BLI K-27īs are gone now. Some are good runners, some arenīt.
That is the point: A Bachmann K-27 would be far ahead of them, since ALL would be good runners, thatīs for sure!

To bring it back to the old dead horse: What about a West Side No.2 - that would be one of my own favorites...!
 ;D

Tom ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: ossygobbin on October 02, 2008, 03:24:19 PM
(Well, folks - most BLI K-27īs are gone now. Some are good runners, some arenīt.
That is the point: A Bachmann K-27 would be far ahead of them, since ALL would be good runners, thatīs for sure!)


what makes you say that ??  not all the bachman stuff are good runners check out this forum. shays and climax's with broken gears, porters with useless pickups etc etc.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Tomcat on October 02, 2008, 04:49:33 PM
Ossy,

sure - the first porters were crap - useless electric pickup wipers. The second generation is perfect. About the Shays and Climaxes: I run five Bachmann Shays (one original - one of the first after they came out, converted with Banta Cab,Xerodon Stack etc.) plus two converts with the Brass boilers/cabs from Keith Wiseman and two others converted with closed cabs-Banta) and all of them still run perfect. There are two more geared engines - Climaxes, which run.... ...perfect. Another HO Shay, converted to On30: perfect.

No parts have worn out yet, all run like a watch. Same with three Consolidations which I would state to be the best model ever produced by Bachmann - if one asks me... Plus a 4-4-0 and two Forneys. Great runners. So, where is the problem...?
Canīt see one. I donīt get paid by Bachmann to write this but I never had any things to complain about yet.

On the other hand, there are a C-19 by MMI producing shorts in curves, a K-28 which had a sliding brake gear which produced shorts on turnouts (which blew two Tsunamis off...) and two K-27 which are real mudhens - derailing, one more, one less. Itīs not the trackwork - which is Micro Engineering, itīs not the curve diameter which is pretty wide...

I can state for me. Please read again: For me and the Bachmann engines Iīm running, that these all do what they should do: Run great, give me joy to run them. Some MMIīs dont.
If you keep in mind the price of the MMI engines, oh boy... :P :P :P

Tom




Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: br549 on October 02, 2008, 05:28:18 PM
Wow! thanks for the heads up on the mud hens de-rail issues. So far my search for one has been in vain and no results but an empty shelf.  The MMI K37 is due as I am reading up on the differences  of the K class models from Baldwin locomotive works.  The prices jumped dramatically as the class # gets higher.   Perhaps my search is in vain. still waiting for a B-mann Mud hen. :(


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: br549 on October 02, 2008, 05:29:13 PM
Bill, thanks for the heads up. :)


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: ossygobbin on October 02, 2008, 05:57:56 PM
tomcat
you are one of the lucky ones, also most of my locos are ok.(one forney with broken cylinders, got a replacement cylinder from service)
BUT there has been plenty of cases of broken gears on the shay and climax reported on here also very noisy rough running forneys. you can probably find them with the search function.


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: Tomcat on October 03, 2008, 12:40:02 AM
Ossy,

sure - lots of people have reasons to complain. Quite bad.
Really - I never had, and this will hopefully stay that way...

My forneys drag light cars out of the track, flats for example,
but there is a solution by adding a NEM coupler box...

Kind regards, Tom


Title: Re: Old dead horse
Post by: finderskeepers on October 07, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
Back to the beating the dead horse please...
Gimme a heisler, 28-35 ton two truck, and make it easily regaugeable to On3!