Dear Bach Man, Is there any word of seeing a HO scale Lincoln Funeral Train Set in commeration of next year's Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial? I know of some Lincoln buffs who would like to see such a set. Sincerely, Tom
Dear Tom,
It's been suggested and discussed, but I'm not aware of anything further.
Thanks!
the Bach-man
I would think they would probably think of making it, but you'll have to wait if they do even consider it. They are busy with a ton of current projects, but don't lose all your hope, but just don't get it too high. ;)
You might wish to check out this model of the train: http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/news/train.htm
Twenty different locos were used in the funeral train so you probably would have quite a choice in available models from which to choose for motive power.
Didn't some company do Lincoln funeral cars quite a while back?
Quote from: Terry Toenges on October 03, 2008, 11:28:36 AM
Didn't some company do Lincoln funeral cars quite a while back?
I believe AHM (Associated Hobby Manufacturers) - now IHC - did them many years ago.
You know, I have never seen one but I have a lincoln funeral car by ahm I got from my grandpa
Hey Guys check this: From the Hawthorne Village Collectables sight,
http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/product/prdid-917342.jsp?_Trains/_prod/_/_/_132/_1063/_/_Y&endeca=true&abbr=trai
I guess my questions would be: Does Bachmann still make this stuff for Hawthorne? If so is this something new having an american 4-4-0 Locomotive? Is this an HO set as stated? (I don't see bachmann making passenger cars like this in HO.) OR is this an On30 set with a 4-4-0 (which I also have never seen) HMMMM Puzzleing!
I hope Bachmann can give a clear and complete explanation. Thanks.
Enjoy,
Barry
Hawthorne Village, I'm not surprised...
BIG BEAR,
I think they have some sort of agreement, for they always supply Nickel Silver E-Z Track and a very smart-looking Spectrum power pack to boot. My uncle got something from them once, it's very nice.
Joshua
Quote from: Daylight4449 on October 24, 2008, 05:13:51 PM
You know, I have never seen one but I have a lincoln funeral car by ahm I got from my grandpa
Rivarossi of Italy supplied AHM (which, I believe, is now IHC) with the 16-wheel Lincoln funeral car back in the 1970s. Rivarossi also supplied AHM's Virginia & Truckee locomotives and rolling stock.
I've had one of the funeral cars since I was a kid, back in the '70s. I believe today the models are pretty rare. I've seen them go for heaps of money when they come up for auction on eBay.
The beginning of this week I won one, which will be by second Lincoln car, for a mere $26 USD. I'm still scratching my head over how that happened. ???
It says, "HO." Do note that each car (which may include extra track, or something like that) costs $69.00.
Gene
Yes Gene,
Also don't forget the $8.99 for shipping each.
I just don't see these cars in HO do you? or can Bachmann not reply due to anticipation?
Enjoy,
Barry
Quote from: BIG BEAR on March 12, 2009, 02:56:00 AM
Hey Guys check this: From the Hawthorne Village Collectables sight,
http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/product/prdid-917342.jsp?_Trains/_prod/_/_/_132/_1063/_/_Y&endeca=true&abbr=trai
I guess my questions would be: Does Bachmann still make this stuff for Hawthorne? If so is this something new having an american 4-4-0 Locomotive? Is this an HO set as stated? (I don't see bachmann making passenger cars like this in HO.) OR is this an On30 set with a 4-4-0 (which I also have never seen) HMMMM Puzzleing!
I hope Bachmann can give a clear and complete explanation. Thanks.
Enjoy,
Barry
The engine looks like Bachmann's "Jupiter" to me, and the cars look like the Bachmann old-time passenger cars.
i just read a old railroad book over that todayi tought it would be cool to have an n scale model of if bachmenn comes out with one i will deffently get one i like old 4-4-0s
Quote from: derricknscaler on March 13, 2009, 08:23:43 PM
i just read a old railroad book over that todayi tought it would be cool to have an n scale model of if bachmenn comes out with one i will deffently get one i like old 4-4-0s
I'd like to see Bachmann upgrade & update the Old Timer lines. New cars, new Americans, etc.
yeah i only have >:( two old timers fright cars but ;Di have three old timers passenger coaches :(the hobbey shop i go to they dont get them as much any more the funeral train looks awsome the black and gold color is awsome!
Quote from: Johnson Bar Jeff on March 12, 2009, 03:27:03 PM
Rivarossi of Italy supplied AHM (which, I believe, is now IHC) with the 16-wheel Lincoln funeral car back in the 1970s. Rivarossi also supplied AHM's Virginia & Truckee locomotives and rolling stock.
I've had one of the funeral cars since I was a kid, back in the '70s. I believe today the models are pretty rare. I've seen them go for heaps of money when they come up for auction on eBay.
The beginning of this week I won one, which will be by second Lincoln car, for a mere $26 USD. I'm still scratching my head over how that happened. ???
Currently there is another Lincoln funeral car listed on eBay, if anyone is interested. :)
One AHM Ho scale Lincoln Funeral Car was sold on eBay today at 245.05.
It has to be the paint job. That's outrageous. After that, I'd just make my own decals!
Anyway, shop victorious!
Joshua
Quote from: toklap on July 24, 2009, 12:11:01 AM
One AHM Ho scale Lincoln Funeral Car was sold on eBay today at 245.05.
I saw that. I was "watching" the listing just to see what the car would sell for. Considering that I got one dirt cheap (probably because it wasn't listed under Rivarossi or as the Lincoln funeral car--in other words, the seller didn't really know what he had), that seems a little ridiculous to me. But I guess at least two individuals really wanted that car very badly for the auction price to run up that way.
There is currently on eBay a Precision Scale Crown Lincoln Funeral Train O scale set at the starting bid at $2,700. The set consits of the 4-4-0 "Nashville locomotive, the funeral car, and the officer's car. Also includes a copy of the book "The Lincoln Funeral Train by Scott Trostel.
Check "Heirloom Trains" on line. They may have what you'are looking for. Stephen
Bachmann does do the Hawthorne sets. I have the complete Police train. Cheap locos but I fixed that! ;D Good detailing too. The rest is close to Silver Series quality. Stephen
Where does the Hawthorne Village train claim to be the Lincoln Funeral Train?
The web site says it is to commemorate the 200th anniversary of his birth.
Would a funeral train be gaudily painted with pictures of the deceased.?
Funerals of that period were especially sombre affairs with much black drapery and plumage on the carriage horses.
And have him standing on the observation platform in his trademark top hat? ;D
The Lincoln Funeral car was a 16 wheel special. I believe it was an experimental car recently built by the fledgeling Pullman Company as a development exercise to find a sleeping car which gave an improved standard of ride over the primitive trackage of the period. This proved to be a not the succes hoped for and was not pursued any further.
The need at the time was for something a bit special and available at short notice and that one was on hand and filled the bill.
Hope this helps,
Alex
Just on case its not totally clear, that Hawthorne Village Collectables train:
http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/product/prdid-917342.jsp?_Trains/_prod/_/_/_132/_1063/_/_Y&endeca=true&abbr=trai (http://www.collectiblestoday.com/ct/product/prdid-917342.jsp?_Trains/_prod/_/_/_132/_1063/_/_Y&endeca=true&abbr=trai)
is NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING like the actual, historic Lincoln Funeral Train..
IMO, all those Hawthorne sets are hideously awful, and WAY overpriced..but to each their own I guess..
but yes..please note..its NOTHING like the real train! :P :P
not even close..
IMO, those hawthorne sets would be more valuable, and look much better, if you stripped off all the paint! ;)
(I dont think Bachmann has anything to do with those sets..other than making the undecorated trains..I think Hawthorne paints them themselves..(or has them painted somewhere..probably China..but I dont think Bachmann actually paints them...could be wrong though..)
Scot
Quote from: Bigboy on August 05, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
The Lincoln Funeral car was a 16 wheel special. I believe it was an experimental car recently built by the fledgeling Pullman Company as a development exercise to find a sleeping car which gave an improved standard of ride over the primitive trackage of the period. This proved to be a not the succes hoped for and was not pursued any further.
The need at the time was for something a bit special and available at short notice and that one was on hand and filled the bill.
The received wisdom used to be that the car was built by the U.S. Military Railroads in its shops in Alexandria, Virginia--for sure there is a famous photo of the car coupled to a beautiful Mason 4-4-0 named the "W.H. Whiton"--but it's been years since I read anything on the subject, so perhaps more information on the car's origins has come to light.
Legend had it that the car had 16 wheels to support its weight because it was armor-plated, but I don't think that's true. But I don't know for sure.
I saw a program on the history channel, that briefly touched on the Lincoln funeral car, and it is in fact armor-plated among other unique features.
The Lincoln Funeral car did indeed have 16 wheels. If you do a google search you can see pictures of it. The Hawthorne Village Collectables train has nothing to do Lincoln Funeral train. It is just a set for Bicentennial. Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Express Collection
Quote from: Johnson Bar Jeff on September 03, 2009, 03:10:55 PM
Quote from: Bigboy on August 05, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
The Lincoln Funeral car was a 16 wheel special. I believe it was an experimental car recently built by the fledgeling Pullman Company as a development exercise to find a sleeping car which gave an improved standard of ride over the primitive trackage of the period. This proved to be a not the success hoped for and was not pursued any further.
The need at the time was for something a bit special and available at short notice and that one was on hand and filled the bill.
The received wisdom used to be that the car was built by the U.S. Military Railroads in its shops in Alexandria, Virginia--for sure there is a famous photo of the car coupled to a beautiful Mason 4-4-0 named the "W.H. Whiton"--but it's been years since I read anything on the subject, so perhaps more information on the car's origins has come to light.
Legend had it that the car had 16 wheels to support its weight because it was armor-plated, but I don't think that's true. But I don't know for sure.
You're quite right. My statement was made off the top of my head, powered by my somewhat faulty memory.
I've since checked on Google and found several relevant sites.
This one shows a well researched model of the car. Which is indeed NOTHING like the Hawthorne Village stuff.
http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/news/train.htm
And this one about the train and events relevent to the funeral.
http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln41.html
Hope this helps,
Alex
Ozark Mountain Railcar is reportedly selling Lincoln's Funeral Car for $6,000 even though on their website they say there is no way to prove it.
http://canteenbooks.com/Building_Lincoln%27s_Funeral_Car.htm
A link about a guy building a model of the Funeral Car.
cody
For anyone who might be interested, there are two Lincoln cars up for auction on eBay right now.
i just saw this on the mr forums. the car was not armor plated not with huge windows
mr feb 1995 has a article about it with o scale pictures.
one gy posted many links about it with accurate information not hearsay
lex
Quote from: lexon on September 14, 2009, 09:51:55 PM
i just saw this on the mr forums. the car was not armor plated not with huge windows
mr feb 1995 has a article about it with o scale pictures.
one gy posted many links about it with accurate information not hearsay
lex
No, I distinctly recall the History Channel saying it was armor plated. So do you think the History channel is wrong? According to them... the whole car is not armor-plated though, only part of it is.
that might be so ihave whites book
i copied this from another site
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I looked up Lincoln's private car/funeral car in John White's The American Railroad Passenger Car and it seems the car was not armor plated, according to two car builders who helped build the car, and wrote up their accounts in the 1890's. While the presence or absence of armor plate make no difference to model builders, it should be known that the armor plate on or in this car is a "myth", according to White. He further calls it a "foolish tale", but that seems overstated. If it were armored, it would have been with boiler plate. Heat treated, armor quality steel was not required to defeat pistol and rifle bullets of the Civil War era, nor had any special-treatment armor steel really been invented yet.
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the only reason for 16 wheels was smoother ride
car makers thought two six wheel trucks were better with a longer wheel base.
lex
Another AHM Pocher Lincoln Funeral Train Car was sold on eBay today at $235.75.
Quote from: toklap on February 02, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
Another AHM Pocher Lincoln Funeral Train Car was sold on eBay today at $235.75.
I always put them on "watch" when I see them, just to see what they go for. It's pretty amazing sometimes. Whatever someone is willing to pay to get it when it's listed.
Apparently the AHM/Pocher model was not the first. I saw two listed recently that had a bit more detail than the AHM model--"curtains" in the windows and "United States" on the post between the windows at the center of the car. Unfortunately I'm having a senior moment at present and can't remember the name of the manufacturer. :-[
at the Great Scale Model Train Show this dealer had one, for $90 and it had a few things wrong with it. I heard someone try to talk him down to $50 since it had broken couplers and a few scratches and the orginal box was a bit messed up. I'd like to get one but I doubt I will unless Bachmann or Roundhouse does a set or just the car.
The Lincoln Funeral Train is where I got the idea to put a picture of my fallen dog on a Locomotive. I just haven't added any bunting yet. Anyoen know where to get black tissue paper?
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee31/BaltoOhioRRFan/sarah.jpg)
I want to paint up some roundhouse observations(i'm hoping to find some at the Great Scale Model Train Show this weekend) In B&O with a picture of her on them. The ball you see on the flat car(which i want to get another one so i can glue on a frame to hold the ball on it) is the one she used to love to play fetch with.
Quote from: BaltoOhioRRfan on February 03, 2010, 05:57:12 PM
Anyone know where to get black tissue paper?
Have you tried a party supply store, or a craft place like A.C. Moore, or Michael's?
Last February 8, A Granite monument was erected at the Amtrak station in Springfield, Illinois marking the site where the Lincoln Funeral Train arrived in May 1865.