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Title: What is your favorite Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 15, 2007, 02:31:12 PM
The Somerset and Dorset Joint Railway (S&DJR) operated between Bath and Bournemouth in the West of England from about 1862 to the 1960's. There were spurs to Bridgwater and Burnham on the Bristol Channel Coast with the major engineering and repair works at Highbridge. There was a separate wagon and coach works for the railway.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/seasaltchap/No25a_maggs.jpg)
© Colin Maggs 1984

Throughout the life of the railway locomotives were bought-out from major builders in the UK, and other railways locomotive works. No25A is of particular interest because it is one of only 3 locos undertaken as a complete build by the Highbridge Works. It was built in 1885, rebuilt in 1897 with modifications to the cab and the saddle tanks. The "Dazzler", as it was known, saw service on the railway until 1930, making up coal trains and shunting empties to and from coal mines in the Radstock area. It  completed 421,712 miles doing these meanial tasks.

I think small is beautiful, and this engine represents a real workhorse that has style and an attraction about it; with a long history too.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 15, 2007, 03:18:27 PM
Well,

It's tough to pick just one, and I have no ready means to post pictures, nor do I have a library of pictures on my PC, but my Favorates include:

USRA heavy Pacifics and all their many clones, especially the the modernized 1940's versions.

ANY modern 80" drivered Atlantic from North America.

ANY sleek Heavy Mountain, like those of the B&O or C&O

The N&W Class A

The Reading T-1

The EMD F3 and the EMD GP7

The Alco PA1

Big locos for big railroads to cross big mountains.

Sheldon


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: SteamGene on March 15, 2007, 04:23:48 PM
The C&O H-8, K-4, K-3, F17-19, USRA light Mike in almost any configuration, and the C&O unstreamlined Hudsons.  I'd agree with Sheldon on most of his choices.  I do have to disagree about "big mountains."  The Blue Ridge, the Appalachians, the Alleghenies are all beautiful, but big they ain't. 
to get big in the U.S. you have to go west about 2000 miles and stare at the Front Range.  As Crocodile Dundee told the mugger, "Now this, is a mountain."   ;D
Gene


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 15, 2007, 04:50:23 PM
Gene,

OK rugged might have been a better adjective. While maybe not as Big as the rockies, they often required steeper grades and sharper curves to pass through.

Sheldon


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: SteamGene on March 15, 2007, 04:57:44 PM
There is, of course, the Saluda Grade, and that's not even really in the Blue Ridge.  And I will tell you, nobody would lay track between Gordonsville, VA and Sugar Grove, WVA willingly. 
Gene


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: lanny on March 15, 2007, 08:07:03 PM
Well, I suppose this comes as no surprise but here are two of my favorite locomotives!


An ICRR 'heavy Mountain' ... nicknamed by the ICRR as "Big Berthas" (#2600 series).
(http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/4227/2603zp5.jpg)

An ICRR 'heavy 2-10-2. The largest of this locomotive, the #2800 series.
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9808/2817at6.jpg)

lanny nicolet


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: scottychaos on March 15, 2007, 09:05:15 PM
hmmm..one favorite locomotive?
hard to pick!

Im going to pick two.

The first one I saw many times myself.
it was the most common road diesel during my "formative years" as a young railfan in the 1980's!
The Conrail SD40-2. I nominate the entire class as a favorite.

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/scottychaos/CRSD40.jpg)




The second is one specific locomotive..which I never saw personally since it was scrapped several decades before I was born.
But I watched those Conrail SD40-2's run by her birthplace.
She was built in Sayre, PA. the same town where I was born.
Both of my Grandfathers probably worked with her.
(One worked in the Sayre Shops, the other was a LV Engineer.)
Lehigh Valley 4-6-2 2089, built in 1925.
The last "home grown" engine built by the LV.

Here she is "as built"

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/scottychaos/lv2089s-500px.jpg)

And later streamlined for the 1939 edition of the "Black Diamond Express"

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/scottychaos/LV2089-colorized2-500px.jpg)

Scot


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Chuck Prough on March 16, 2007, 01:07:23 AM
I do not have any pitures (see the Bachmann catalog). My favorite loco is a 3 Truck Shay because I got to actually drive one at Roaring Camp and Big Trees NG RR in Felton, CA. THAT was a great expience. Look them up on the net. ;D


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 16, 2007, 04:29:59 AM
(http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~duplerd/wva/Xbb024.jpg)

i really like the lines of the geeps....gp30....gp 38......gp40

 i have 2 bachmann gp30s in B&O colors and some gp38\40 locos in various paint schemes, reminds me of years gone by, watching coal drags and freights rumble by the house, i always liked those yellow\black and red chessie geeps , they seemed so clean [of course they werent] next to the older blue B&O locos.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Stephen D. Richards on March 16, 2007, 07:54:29 AM
There is, of course, the Saluda Grade, and that's not even really in the Blue Ridge.  And I will tell you, nobody would lay track between Gordonsville, VA and Sugar Grove, WVA willingly. 
Gene

Gene, roger that!  I've lived in both the Appalachians and the Rockies, plus living in Pendleton County for 16 years!  It's an all day trip just to try a drive the back roads...if you dare!  It took two H8's on a daily basis to make the grade from Hinton to Clifton Forge with 140 cars of coal!  And that is not as bad a section of mountain.    Stephen


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 16, 2007, 01:06:00 PM


I was hoping this string would be for Steam only.

Diesel bores the socks off me; unless it has some abiding technical feature of being the first at something!


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: scottychaos on March 16, 2007, 01:09:38 PM

I was hoping this string would be for Steam only.


then you should have asked "what is your favorite steam loco?"

 ;)

Scot


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 16, 2007, 01:15:46 PM

Scot : O'k, now you know.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 16, 2007, 01:17:38 PM
Different strokes for different folks,

Trains from other countries, UP Big Boys, diesels made after 1960, are all barely on my radar, but I do know lots of others find interest in these things, and they do have value.

Stewart - What about learning from the other tribe? I admit it, I've spoken with them and don't want their way of life, but I thought you where different?

So much for that idea.

Sheldon



Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Paul M. on March 16, 2007, 03:39:37 PM
Sheldon, Stewart...

Just stop bickering. This is getting stupid.  >:( Note the "I do not need this lecture" thread has been deleted. This started out a fine thread.... Now it's starting to look like " I do not need this lecture II" :(


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 16, 2007, 03:49:56 PM
Another of my favorates is the Western & Atlantic General of Civil war fame.

Sheldon


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: ebtbob on March 16, 2007, 04:33:50 PM
My favorite engine?   East Broad Top mikado,  number 17.   This was the first engine I saw run during my first visit to what has become my favorite railroad.

(http://ebtbob.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/14613/IMG_0014.jpg)

Bob


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Stephen Warrington on March 16, 2007, 05:24:02 PM
GEEZ just one?

N&W's J class 4-8-4's
Western & Atlantic's 4-4-0 General and Texas
ICRR's 2-10-2 Centrals

and one from across the pond
LNER's 4-6-2 Flying Scotsman


Stephen


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: ebtbob on March 16, 2007, 07:39:12 PM
LD303

     Since you like GP30s,  here is a picture you will like.  It is the GP30 on the New Hope & Ivyland Railroad.

(http://ebtbob.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures/15365/IMG_0037.jpg)

Bob


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 16, 2007, 07:49:43 PM
thanks bob, i love the paint scheme! 

 seasalt....if you want a steam only thread, start one, but dont bellyache because someone likes diesels, i enjoy steamers, i love watching them start, steam billowing, wheelslip, all the stack noise and smoke.....but im not a ''steam fan'' , and while i agree that diesels dont have the charm  and quaintness of steamers, they are still very interesting.

 


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: #94 on March 16, 2007, 08:13:00 PM
Shay cn#94 built 1883. Used in Allegan, Mi area ( my home) Owned by Dewing & Sons Lumber Co. Operated on the "Allegan & Lake Shore R.R."Later went to WV. The Bachmann On30 is a very good likeness. A wood cowcatcher, Square headlight, and earlier cab are all the changes needed.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 16, 2007, 11:49:44 PM

LD303 : I was serious in my comment. If I am to learn about GP30's, 38's & 40's, do they have some abiding technical feature.

I think there are other threads on the board to post pretty pictures, this one was to bring out a learning for me and for others.

What is the horsepower? What is the tractive effort? What makes them your favorite diesel loco beyond just a pretty paint scheme and a pretty picture: or as another wag would say, "a boxcar with a motor".


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 17, 2007, 12:03:38 AM
well i can't really say i love all trains

this 1926 I.C.R.R terminal because it looks really neat to me.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1227030/Class_C.jpg)

and this famous GG1 because it is well...................a GG1
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-11/1227030/prr4935.jpg)


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 12:11:14 AM

LD303 : I was serious in my comment. If I am to learn about GP30's, 38's & 40's, do they have some abiding technical feature.

I think there are other threads on the board to post pretty pictures, this one was to bring out a learning for me and for others.

What is the horsepower? What is the tractive effort? What makes them your favorite diesel loco beyond just a pretty paint scheme and a pretty picture: or as another wag would say, "a boxcar with a motor".


  ok seasalt.......whats the abiding tech. feature of your favorite loco?  whats the h.p.? whats the tractive effort? what makes it your favorite steam loco? you didnt answer any of those questions on your post.  so whats up with the attitude??????
     this thread says whats your favorite loco? not what steam locos do you like...... so if youre so bored and hating everything not steam powered...make another thread and call it steam locos...simple enough yes???????  
  like it or not seasalt.......the majority of people in this country have never seen a steam loco up close...or maybe even at all....but diesels are everywhere, and thats what they relate to, so if you dont like it that others dont find steam locos so fascinating, i guess youll just have to be bored and complain a lot.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 17, 2007, 12:29:52 AM

LD303 : I was serious in my comment. If I am to learn about GP30's, 38's & 40's, do they have some abiding technical feature.

I think there are other threads on the board to post pretty pictures, this one was to bring out a learning for me and for others.

What is the horsepower? What is the tractive effort? What makes them
your favorite diesel loco beyond just a pretty paint scheme and a pretty picture: or as another wag would say, "a boxcar with a motor".


  ok seasalt.......whats the abiding tech. feature of your favorite loco?  whats the h.p.? whats the tractive effort? what makes it your favorite steam loco? you didnt answer any of those questions on your post.  so whats up with the attitude??????
     this thread says whats your favorite loco? not what steam locos do you like...... so if youre so bored and hating everything not steam powered...make another thread and call it steam locos...simple enough yes???????  
  like it or not seasalt.......the majority of people in this country have never seen a steam loco up close...or maybe even at all....but diesels are everywhere, and thats what they relate to, so if you dont like it that others dont find steam locos so fascinating, i guess youll just have to be bored and complain a lot.

you are really mean. i mean that. you need to stop being rude and treat people with respect.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 12:34:15 AM
rude??  nope......responding to rude  comments...yes
  and you telling someone to be nice and stop being rude......thats hilarious!!!!    you cant even tell the truth when it comes to your age!!!!   
  and like trust...respect is not GIVEN....it is EARNED... and until someone earns my respect...i will not give them any.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 17, 2007, 12:37:48 AM
forget mean stubborn. and i did tel everyone my age so you are wrong and i don't think anyone wants to earn respect from a person like you. leave seasalt alone he is the one who is doing the right thing not you. i am going to stand up for people who get told what to do and how to do things by people like you.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Dusten Barefoot on March 17, 2007, 12:47:15 AM
Ya'll stop quaraling and act like civilized people. I am not one to intrude but this is a train board not a chat room. Steam locos are beautiful in design and how they opperate and diesels have nothing compared to the iron horse but I also like diesels but they have to be from the 30s or the past, any how my favorate loco in the tweetsie ten wheeler, although i swear i said this in this board unless i put it in a other one. Oh no i think i did 


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 12:49:16 AM
oh yes!! i am stubborn...and im RIGHT!! you lied....you admitted it and asked to be forgiven,   but thats done.
   what does ''a person like you'' and ''people like you'' mean???  are you discriminating?  are you a hater??  
  seasalt got all flustered because i dared  to post an evil diesel pic and then proceeded to get huffy and say this thread is for steam only...well where in the title does it say that??????  
  youre going to have to face facts jr., you are ALWAYS going to have someone telling you what to do and how to do it......get used to it.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 01:06:51 AM
(http://www.trainweb.org/PotomacNRHS/images/sc05_se_PRR.jpg)

  gotta love PRR too,  somehow the AMTRAK offerings just dont hold up compared  to the old days.....SP Daylights and PRR tuscan red passenger trains.....ahh the good ole days.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 01:44:51 AM
(http://www.cohs.org/history/jm092903-3.jpg)


 watching trains like this chessie roll by my house is what really got me interested in model railroading, it didnt matter what i was doing...when i heard that horn sounding id tear out of the house and run down to watch the coal drags and occasionally a freight rumble by.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 01:54:52 AM
(http://www.trains.com/ctr/objects/images/norfolk_southern_high-nose_gp50_no_7012.jpg)

 its not the most photogenic loco in the world, the black & white paint scheme isnt particularly eye catching....but standing next to a gp50 is impressive!!!   
  the gp's and the f series are my favorite types of loco.....i like the clean lines of the e series passeger locos too, call them powered box cars if you like, but theres no denying theyre impressive pieces of machinery.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 17, 2007, 02:06:21 AM


Stephen Warrington : Reference your interest in the Flying Scotsman

If you click on the Bachmann Union Jack you will see the Flying Scotsman Limited Edition in O Gauge contributed by Bachmann Europe to the National Railway Museum, York, to raise funds for the Museum.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/seasaltchap/f_Scotsman.jpg)
© Bachmann Europe
In late British Rail Colours

A very nice and appropriate gesture by Bachmann Europe.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 17, 2007, 02:14:36 AM
LD303 : I chose history as the theme for my contribution that might interest readers. It did not seem appropriate for your contribution, so I suggested horsepower or tractive effort. I still know nothing about the GP's.

Regards


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 02:34:03 AM
your title is misleading seasalt.....it doesnt say anything about what sort of loco or anything about specs. and history, it simply asks for pic posts and reasons for liking the chosen subject.....i stated the reason i like what i like...if you want a steam only thread you need to make one and let this one go where it will.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 17, 2007, 03:26:44 AM

LD303 : So, now you know.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: ebtbob on March 17, 2007, 06:59:52 AM
Good Morning All,

      While agree that it is time to put the bickering on this thread to an end,   I must agree,  to extent,  with LD303.  After all,  the original post does say favorite loco ,  post pic,  and why.   That is why I bothered to post a picture of the NH&I Railroad's GP30 for LD303 for him.
       As for myself,  I could have just as easily found a pic of an Alco RS1, 3, or RSD4/5 as they run an extremely close second to steam for me.
       I have always enjoyed being a part of this forum but over the past two weeks there seems to be far tooooooooo much back biting,  etc.
       To anyone who wants to start a thread like this,  try to make your intent as clear as possible.  Even though I grew up in the very end of the steam era,  and know that the word loco meant steam,  and diesel meant just that,  diesel,  I think that difference has been lost of the world as we just seem to use so many words to mean multiple things.
       I have enjoyed this thread,  even with the ones who cannot post pix.
So let's move on and have fun,  as the BMan always says.

Bob


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 17, 2007, 09:37:43 AM
What makes diesels interesting? - For me, as much as I love steam, diesels represent what kept the railroads in business against the trucks and planes,

and,

the ones I listed, and a few mentioned by ebtbob, where the ones that "did it". They showed the railroads that diesels could do the job, better actually, with less down time and lower operating costs.

The EMD F3 and GP7 where remarkable examples of simple reliable engineering that spent very little time in the shop. They where the model A Fords of the railroad industry. Not the fanciest, not the most powerful, but they started, ran and did their job, day in and day out.

Like I have said before about automobiles, if I want to go fast in comfort I would buy a BMW, but to get their every day with a load of materials I will take my F150 every time.

And, EMD saw the big picture better than anyone. They knew simple meant reliable and interchangable parts meant easier repairs and up grades. Facts that made them the undisputed leader for 40 years.

Thats what is so cool about diesels, especially first generation diesels, they are simple, functional work horses - and railroads, above all else, are instruments of work, capitalism at its best.

Sheldon


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Alex V. on March 17, 2007, 10:39:33 AM
Well said, atlanticcentral!  ;D I agree with you - the best diesels are the simplest ones.  EMD used variants of the 567 prime mover for 25 years, then they modified it into the 645.  :o I'm into antique tractors also, and they're PAINFULLY simple, but they just won't quit!  No fancy computers or anything, just the bare essentials to get the job done.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Alex V. on March 17, 2007, 10:54:33 AM
I'd have to say my favorite locomotive is the UP 4-6-6-4 Challenger, because of its "shock & awe" power - a total weight of 1,071,000!  :o
(http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/excurs/graphics/my3985.jpg)


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 17, 2007, 11:48:42 AM
I like the Union Pacific Big Boy. Here are some facts you might not have known.

It was built by alco

4000 class

They were built between 1941-1944

25 were built

Top speed was 80 mph

Only 2 of the 8 surving big boys are indoors

133 feet long

16.4 feet high

539.6 tons

Tractive effort is 135,375 lb

It takes 5 diesels to do the work of one big boy

The boiler was 20 feet long

It had Boxpok wheels to make the ride comfortable

The big boy got its name when a builder chalked big boy on its firebox


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Alex V. on March 17, 2007, 11:54:48 AM
I knew some of that, but some I didn't.  2 out of 8 indoors - understandable 'cause they're sooooo big!  :o


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 17, 2007, 11:59:39 AM
I have more where that came from if you want me to countinue


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Terry Toenges on March 17, 2007, 12:23:31 PM
My favorites would be pre-1900 steam.
What are diesels other than different colored boxes with the only visible moving parts being rolling wheels?


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Hoople on March 17, 2007, 12:37:02 PM
I have more where that came from if you want me to countinue

You got one wrong.

Top speed=81 MPH.

Oh and, it takes 5 DASH 9s to do a big boys work


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Alex V. on March 17, 2007, 12:45:38 PM
5 DASH 9's???!!!  Wow!  I figured that was 5 SD40's or 45's.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Guilford Guy on March 17, 2007, 12:48:22 PM
Well an AC6000 has 6000 HP which the bigboy was said to have...


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: scottychaos on March 17, 2007, 12:59:42 PM
I like the Union Pacific Big Boy. Here are some facts you might not have known.

The boiler was 20 feet long


A Big Boy boiler is about 60 feet long!  ;D
A Big Boy is almost 20 feet high!
(16 feet 2.5 inches to be exact.)

I have only ever seen one, at Steamtown..impressive machines!

Scot


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 17, 2007, 01:03:27 PM
My mistake the firebox was 20 feet long.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: jayl1 on March 17, 2007, 01:10:37 PM
My favorite steam - Reading T-1 - #2102.  I had a 15 mile cab ride in her at 50 MPH on the Blue Mountain & Reading RR. ( or any other 2100-2129's on the Reading) ;D

Diesel - Almost any first generation engine - especially Alcos.  The seem to have more personality the the new brutes.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Guilford Guy on March 17, 2007, 01:18:45 PM
B&M 3713 or B&M 1455
3713 is a P4 pacific and 1455 is a B15-b mogul.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Stephen Warrington on March 17, 2007, 04:20:07 PM
 :D Wonderful model of the Flying Scotsman. I knew he was going to York awhile back my uncle in Grimsby UK keeps me updated, I was very impressed with the National Railway Museum at York. My Uncle had to drag me away especially when I saw the huge Chinese Mikado built in Warrington England. he has given almost 5,000 pounds in our names for her restoration and I hope if my health lets me to return again one day to see the ole boy in all his glory.

To be honest I don't know which was worse him trying to drag me away from York or the Naval Base at Portsmouth and HMS VICTORY and HMS WARRIOR in all it was a grand month in 2001 and the Fish N Chips I do miss greatly.

Stephen


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 17, 2007, 08:23:02 PM
ok seasalt...since you wont make a thread for steam locos only  i did it, so now you wont be so flustered and mad when people post pics of non steam powered stuff.....enjoy and please try to have a nice day.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 17, 2007, 11:46:19 PM



LD303 : I am surprised that my, "I was hoping this string would be for Steam only" should raise such uglyness from you to usher me off my own thread.

You have your diesel postings: I was trying to raise the education from you to give us all more than just pretty pictures.





Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 18, 2007, 11:36:11 AM
Dearest Stewart,

We all humbly apologize for not being as educated and sophisticated as you. We shall endeaver in the future to live up to your high standards.

We should realize that you, being part of the educated elite, know what is good for us, much more so than we could ever hope to know on our own.

We can only hope that one day we are half as smart as you.

Now that my tonge is out of my cheek, that is the rudest, most insulting, and condescending thing I have ever read on this board. How dare you look down your nose at people just because they don't like what you like or because you don't think what they like is important. You owe LD303 an apology - big time.

Sheldon


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: JM on March 18, 2007, 02:26:12 PM
I don't see LD303 telling you to leave Seasaltchap, after reading the other posts and your apparent anger over non-steam locomotive postings,  the addition of a steam only thread seems like an excellent idea.  Why are you so angry?
 Also.....you posted a picture of some type of old European steam locomotive,which apparently they only made 3 of? and that makes it totally un-noticable and without any historic merits,none of the modellers I know are even remotely interested in anything from ''over there'',....you provided little information on it....no specs. and a very limited history, so how did you raise anyone's education level? you didn't ask for histories or specs. in your thread title, just a ''why do you like it'', and from what I read, everyone told why they like their particular subject.... you really should have made the title of this thread more explicit.
  LD303 made a thread for steam only and you criticized him for doing so, why?  you should aplogize for being so rude and condescending.
           Have a great day all!


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 18, 2007, 03:12:45 PM

JM : Plainly your view is not supported by those on this thread, who are interested in all things "Trains". It is unreasonable for you to expect to blinker the rest of us. I think you need to explain, where is the anger.

This thread has happilly evolved to include Diesels and Electrics, I particularly like the Pennsylvania GG: worldwide it could be the trademark of the Pennsylvania, that is how well it is known as an image.

A new thread "Steam .........." could equally have been "Diesels ........", such is the arrogance of some of you.

Sheldon : Education - Educo, leading out. I want to learn from you and LD303 more than just pretty pictures. The "Why" has to have some substance to interest me and others who are contributing to my thread.

Regards




Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 18, 2007, 03:41:25 PM
OK, to get even more technical about the diesels I mentioned, the GM 567 diesel prime mover was a major break through. It used interchangeable parts, to make 6, 8, 12 and 16 cylinder versions, and its mechanical supercharger provided as much HP as all the competitors turbo chargers with NONE of the maintenance problems.

A replacement engine part, almost all the parts infact, for a 1500 hp, 16 cyl prime mover in an F7, where same as those for the two 1000 hp, 12 cyl prime movers in an E7 or E8, or the 600 hp, 8 cyl in an SW600. The shop had to love that idea.

Electrical gear, trucks, traction motors, etc, had similar levels of interchange.

Each new improvement in HP was, for the most part, retrofitable to older models as they where rebuilt, either by the railroad, or traded in to GM.

The far superior shop time to road time ratio of these locos allowed masive reductions in locomotive fleet sizes during the 50's and 60's. Do the same work, with:

Fewer locos total
Fewer helpers on medium grades
Less shop parts inventory
Longer runs between shop/fuel stops

That all sounds like reduced operational costs, lower prices to customers and more money in the bank. These facts kept the railroads in business. And in the US, at that time, they where just that, a business, not a state run charity like most of the railroads in may other parts of the world.

Sheldon
 


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: JM on March 18, 2007, 04:10:57 PM

JM : Plainly your view is not supported by those on this thread, who are interested in all things "Trains". It is unreasonable for you to expect to blinker the rest of us. I think you need to explain, where is the anger.

This thread has happilly evolved to include Diesels and Electrics, I particularly like the Pennsylvania GG: worldwide it could be the trademark of the Pennsylvania, that is how well it is known as an image.

A new thread "Steam .........." could equally have been "Diesels ........", such is the arrogance of some of you.

Sheldon : Education - Educo, leading out. I want to learn from you and LD303 more than just pretty pictures. The "Why" has to have some substance to interest me and others who are contributing to my thread.

Regards




 What view are you referring to?   I simply stated a known FACT,I answered what YOU posted. Twice you stated this thread was suposed to be steam only, and now you say you're ''happy'' it includes diesels?  then why are you so miffed at the diesel picture posts?
  Also, what ''arrogance'' do you speak of?  LD303 made a steam only thread to try and placate you and you call that arrogance?  it seems to me that YOU are the arrogant one. As I stated...NONE of my railroad  modelling friends are the slightest bit interested in anything from Europe, you call that being arrogant???  Sir, you are the arrogant one and you should immediately apologize to ALL on this board.
  Sheldon has provided you with specs. and history......now it is time for YOU to provide the same about your posting of that obscure European tea kettle.
                                                   


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Paul M. on March 19, 2007, 08:58:53 PM
I repeat:

Sheldon, Stewart...

Just stop bickering. This is getting stupid.  >:( Note the "I do not need this lecture" thread has been deleted. This started out a fine thread.... Now it's starting to look like " I do not need this lecture II" :(


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: the Bach-man on March 19, 2007, 10:40:46 PM
Dear All,
Everyone could benefit from Paul M.'s wisdom. The fact that he is about twelve (I had the plesure of meeting him in Fort Worth) should give many pause...
the Bach-man


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 19, 2007, 11:59:55 PM

Paul M : Nice to meet you. Do you have a favorite steam loco? Let me hear about it. Don't be put off by all those who would correct spellings and the like; this is for fun and enjoyment, and it comes as it comes.

Sheldon : Thank you for the additional facts about your favorite loco. It makes it that much more interesting to know about.



Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Atlantic Central on March 20, 2007, 08:00:42 AM
Paul M,

Seasaltchap (Stewart) and I are now getting along just fine. Getting along does not mean saying things you do not believe just so others won't get mad or upset. Adults, or young adults who are mature can (or should be able to) disagree with each other about some things but than get past it and work/play just fine with each other. It is not good for people to not say what they believe just because someone else may not like it.

Bach Man,

I have the utmost respect for your position as moderator, and have no problem with any of you delete decisions, however my own personal compass prevents me for "going along to get alone". That is a path that has already done far to much damage to the world.

Stewart,

I am glad you found that background info of interest. So as you can see, it is partly the plainness of those "powered box cars" that makes them interesting to some.

And, they where pioneered in the same time period that many railroads in the US also streamlined steam locos and passenger cars. There is a whole other story about the diesel's progression from steamlined cab unit to utilitiaran road switcher with side walkways. The era I model is also in the heart of that change as well.

Sheldon


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Seasaltchap on March 20, 2007, 01:32:46 PM

You may be the champion cabbage grower, but I know this guy in South Wales who is the champion pot maker for boiling your cabbages.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/seasaltchap/terrier01.jpg)
© Peter Strange 1989


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: LD303 on March 21, 2007, 06:29:48 PM



LD303 : I am surprised that my, "I was hoping this string would be for Steam only" should raise such uglyness from you to usher me off my own thread.

You have your diesel postings: I was trying to raise the education from you to give us all more than just pretty pictures.




     

 geez!!!  you just cant make some people happy!    oh...well  i tried,
   on to more important things.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Paul M. on March 22, 2007, 09:38:34 PM

Paul M : Nice to meet you. Do you have a favorite steam loco? Let me hear about it. Don't be put off by all those who would correct spellings and the like; this is for fun and enjoyment, and it comes as it comes.

Sheldon : Thank you for the additional facts about your favorite loco. It makes it that much more interesting to know about.




Stewart,

Oh boy, do I!

My favorite is Texas & Pacific's 2-10-4.
I-1, I-1a, I-1b, I-1c, and I-1b classes
There were 70 T&P 2-10-4s built;
Road numbers were 600- 669
All of them were built by Lima from November 1925 until 1929
Only surviving locomotive is T&P #610
#610 was restored for the American Freedom Train in the seventies
#610 is currently at the Texas State Railroad
All of the T&P's 2-10-4s were Freight locomotives,
but #610 now carries passengers on the TXSRR

#623 on October 26, 1930
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16dcc71c1a.png)

Famous #610 at the Texas State Railroad on March 3rd, 2001.
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16dd6e20fe.png)

I would have posted more photos, but I guess two photos are enough. :-\


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 22, 2007, 10:40:15 PM
I would like a HO one of those.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Hoople on March 22, 2007, 10:50:33 PM
I like Big Boys because they're big, and 9000s because they're neglected.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: HOplasserem80c on March 22, 2007, 10:53:48 PM

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My favorite is Texas & Pacific's 2-10-4.
There were 70 T&P 2-10-4s built;
Road numbers were 600- 669
All of them were built by Lima from November 1925 until 1929
Only surviving locomotive is T&P #610
#610 was restored for the American Freedom Train in the seventies
#610 is currently at the Texas State Railroad
All of the T&P's 2-10-4s were Freight locomotives,
but #610 now carries passengers on the TXSRR

#623 on October 26, 1930
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16dcc71c1a.png)

Famous #610 at the Texas State Railroad on March 3rd, 2001.
(http://www.texaspacificrailway.org/image.cfm?img=3db16dd6e20fe.png)

I would have posted more photos, but I guess two photos are enough. :-\

that loco is tizzit "cool for all the adults out there'


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Guilford Guy on March 23, 2007, 07:29:37 AM
Sheldon, Stewart...

Just stop bickering. This is getting stupid.  >:( Note the "I do not need this lecture" thread has been deleted. This started out a fine thread.... Now it's starting to look like " I do not need this lecture II" :(
I agree, what is the bickering all about anyways?
To me it seems totally unneeded, your acting like children, oops thats me...


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Hoople on March 23, 2007, 12:26:31 PM
Sheldon, Stewart...

Just stop bickering. This is getting stupid.  >:( Note the "I do not need this lecture" thread has been deleted. This started out a fine thread.... Now it's starting to look like " I do not need this lecture II" :(
I agree, what is the bickering all about anyways?
To me it seems totally unneeded, your acting like children, oops thats me...
No, your a teen. I'm a child... for only 5 more months though.


Title: Re: What is your favorate Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: Paul M. on March 24, 2007, 03:06:58 PM
I would like a HO one of those.

So would I. Sunset made it in brass, but $800 is WAYYY out of my budget.


Title: Re: What is your favorite Loco; Post a Pic' & tell us why.
Post by: conradin on May 24, 2007, 10:09:46 PM
KCR Clyde G12.

There is a picture of Sir Alexander in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:KCR-siralexander.JPG


They are Australian clones or variations of EMD.  Clyde became part of GE by the 70s. 

Here are the G12's stats:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/9585/eastrail/rstock.html

and the improved version:

http://locopage.railpage.org.au/private/cfcla_tl.html


I grew up riding on them...