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Title: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Steam Freak on February 19, 2009, 11:48:12 PM
I was wondering if any of the smaller steam engines will be made with DCC OnBoard? I've always wanted to have a small steam switcher like a 0-6-0, but with a DCC chip installed.

Or something to be made like this maybe?
(http://www.trainweb.org/dunn/2006d24a/640/25.jpg)
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: richG on February 20, 2009, 12:22:38 AM
Here is an example. What you want is a decoder not a chip. Chips are on the decoder.

http://litchfieldstation.com/DCC-University/install/HOS/Bachmann-Saddle-Tank-LE010XF.htm

With what ever loco you use, measure the current draw, isolate the motor terminals and hard wire in a decoder following the NMRA standards. Very tight inside a small switcher and make sure you have pickups on all drivers. The Spectrum 0-6-0T comes with a 9 pin JST connector but now enough room to plug in a decoder. You have to hard wire it. The loco has pickups on all drivers. I have the Spectrum 0-6-0T.

I have seen a DCC sound install in a Spectrum 0-6-0T but it is not for the faint of heart.

Rich
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Steam Freak on February 20, 2009, 04:48:39 PM
I know what DCC is. I've been doing model trains since I was 3 years old, and DCC for over 8 years. FYI, a decoder is a small chip.

I don't think you understood my question. I'm asking if Bachmann will ever make OnBoard DCC 0-6-0's.
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Yampa Bob on February 21, 2009, 12:53:06 AM
According to a preview on Tony Cook's resource site, Bachmann has a Spectrum DCC on board 0-6-0 in the 2009 lineup, don't know the exact release date.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: pdlethbridge on February 21, 2009, 12:58:53 AM
Yes, but its  an 0-6-0t
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Yampa Bob on February 21, 2009, 01:10:20 AM
Well, look at the picture Steam Freak posted, isn't that a "T"?   ???

Might as well get used to the "chip" thingie.  I hear young people referring to cell phones as a chip....as in "Got a chip on the hip" or "got text on my chip".

Can a person give a "Raspberry" on a "Blackberry"?   8)
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: OkieRick on February 21, 2009, 10:44:50 PM

Someone take a look here & tell me if it's a 0-6-0 with a Vanderbilt tender or a 0-6-0T.

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?act=viewProd&productId=1640

Is it here?  Available?  0-6-0 with DCC onboard?  Yes, it has no elephant ears but X-acto and Hobby Lobby can fix that.

Rick
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Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Yampa Bob on February 22, 2009, 03:58:47 AM
I think that's the one from the standard line they upgraded with a decoder, then bundled it with the EZ Command controller.  I understand the new 0-6-0 will be a Spectrum. 

The preview didn't specifically say it will be a tank version, so I'll reserve any comment on that until it's released.
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: SteamGene on February 22, 2009, 05:42:51 PM
Okie, what you have pictured is an 0-6-0.  It is a Standard and runs nicely.  However, unless they have done something recently the front coupler is a dummy.  While I realize I might invoke the rath of the Bach-man, I'd suggest looking at the Proto 2000 USRA 0-6-0.  I think its about the same price. 
Any loco ending with "T" does not have a tender.  The "T" stands for "tank" and the fuel and water supply for the locomotive is an integral part of it. 
Gene
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Pacific Northern on February 22, 2009, 06:30:41 PM
Quote from: SteamGene on February 22, 2009, 05:42:51 PM
Okie, what you have pictured is an 0-6-0.  It is a Standard and runs nicely.  However, unless they have done something recently the front coupler is a dummy.  While I realize I might invoke the rath of the Bach-man, I'd suggest looking at the Proto 2000 USRA 0-6-0.  I think its about the same price. 
Any loco ending with "T" does not have a tender.  The "T" stands for "tank" and the fuel and water supply for the locomotive is an integral part of it. 
Gene

Better check your prices, the Bachmann 0-6-0 has a MSRP of $75 and the Proto $250. This is the price without DCC or sound.  While the Proto certainly has more detail I find the pricing too steep for my budget.

You will find a the same price relationship with the Berkshires as well.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-31772

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-50711



Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: SteamGene on February 22, 2009, 07:04:25 PM
PN,
The price you quote for the Bachmann USRA 0-6-0 is the standard, without DCC.  With DCC it is more.  Whether the Bachmann without is DCC ready, I don't know. 
The Proto 2-8-4s are not good haulers at all.  The Bachmann does a much better job and has an operating front coupler.  It's main problem, to me, is the Bachmann K-4 doesn't have a footboard pilot like it should.  But the Proto doesn't either.  The C&O was practical.  All freight locomotives had footboard pilots. 
Gene
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Steam Freak on February 24, 2009, 02:02:02 AM
Thats good to hear Yampa Bob! If Bachmann does indeed put out Spectrum 0-6-0's with DCC, I can't wait too see them!
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Yampa Bob on February 24, 2009, 03:01:35 AM
I think we are all anxiously looking forward to the 2009 lineup. If the 0-6-0 is indeed a tank engine, then I will probably buy a couple also.  It depends on the road names, I'm sure there will be a UP or Rio Grande, or even an SP, all of which fits my roster.

I don't really need any more steamers with tenders.

Regards.
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Stephen D. Richards on February 24, 2009, 04:08:27 PM
Gene, can you make the footboards?  I just made one to repair a 2-8-0- for WM.  Wasn't to difficult and looks pretty good too.  If you've got the stockpile like I do, maybe a little robbing Peter to pay Paul!  I buy a lot of junk and then have a blast at taking them apart and storing the spare parts.

Bob, what'cha mean you don't need any more?  lol    ;D
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Yampa Bob on February 24, 2009, 08:43:21 PM
I think it happened in a dream.  A familiar soft voice kept repeating, "You don't need any more steamers".....Sleep hypnosis?  Subliminal?
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: pdlethbridge on February 24, 2009, 09:23:47 PM
gas
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: SteamGene on February 24, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
Stephen, the COHS Basement Sub-Division promises an upgrade for the Bachmann "K4."  I'm waiting to see what' already been done before trying to reinvent the wheel!  ;D
Gene
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: hotrainlover on February 24, 2009, 10:59:37 PM
Hey Bob,
My wife asked me "Is it a want...  or a Need?" the other day when I asked for a part.  My answer was " It IS a want, ....and a need.  Sort of like your Chocolate fix".  It worked...  I have the part   :0) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: the Bach-man on February 24, 2009, 11:42:26 PM
Dear All,
The DCC Onboard 0-6-0T is the Spectrum loco that was in the line a few years ago- it's back by popular demand, and should be just what you need.
It's pictured in the new catalog; I'll try to get a picture up soon.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Yampa Bob on February 25, 2009, 12:15:27 AM
Lee,
Notice I gave myself an out. Since the 0-6-0T doesn't have a tender, the CEO said I could buy one.  "How about two" I said.   "Don't push your luck" she said.  :D

You just had to mention chocolate huh? I buy Reese's peanut butter cups by the case.  Yes, the peanut butter is perfectly safe, haven't died yet.   8)
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: grumpy on February 25, 2009, 12:30:51 AM
 Bob                       I f you are diabetic you don.t have long to live especially if you wash it down with a can of regular coke.
Don :o
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: pdlethbridge on February 25, 2009, 02:06:48 AM
Ya, but what a way to go! :o
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: hotrainlover on February 25, 2009, 10:30:06 PM
Mr. Bachmann,
Will these new 0-6-0t's have new numbers?  The UP for instance....

Thanks for the help...
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: the Bach-man on February 25, 2009, 10:33:42 PM
Dear HO,
Usually a subsequent run has a number change; I'll check on this.
Thanks!
the Bach-man
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Steam Freak on February 26, 2009, 10:45:16 PM
Quote from: the Bach-man on February 25, 2009, 10:33:42 PM
Dear HO,
Usually a subsequent run has a number change; I'll check on this.
Thanks!
the Bach-man

Let us know when you have pictures of it up :)
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: the Bach-man on February 26, 2009, 10:59:58 PM
Dear All,
I'm told the numbers will be new.
Have fun!
the Bach-man
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: hotrainlover on February 27, 2009, 05:17:13 PM
Thanks for checking, Mr. B.     That fits my plans nicely!!  If these have a decoder installed, will it still be available without one?
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: Pacific Northern on February 27, 2009, 06:07:31 PM
Quote from: hotrainlover on February 27, 2009, 05:17:13 PM
Thanks for checking, Mr. B.     That fits my plans nicely!!  If these have a decoder installed, will it still be available without one?

These engines are advertised as DCC on Board. Would assume entire run is DCC equipped.

DCC equipped can be run with or without decoder. The decoders will run either DC or DCC as they sense the power supply and run accordingly.

If you wanted DC only you could remove DCC decoder and insert plug. (Bachmann packages a plug with their DCC equipped engines for DC only users)
Title: Re: DCC OnBoard 0-6-0's?
Post by: hotrainlover on February 27, 2009, 09:47:18 PM
I was just wondering, for other purposes.