Without going to the Internet, where was/is the Tidewater Southern located?
Gene
Since I had previously researched this, I shall disquality myself. However I have stock in the present railroad. :D
OK, I've heard of the TS. I believe it was in southern California, but I can't give you it's exact location.
I think the "Southern" refers to the route, not to the base of operations. Notice how many railroads were suffixed "Pacific" but never made it to the coast.
Quote from: SteamGene on March 24, 2009, 12:58:56 PM
Without going to the Internet, where was/is the Tidewater Southern located?
Gene
The Tidewater Southern ran between Stockton & Turlock, California. That area is nominally termed "Central California."
One interesting fact is that large ocean-going ships navigate through the San Francisco Bay, then up the Sacramento River to Stockton without the use of locks. When docked in Stockton, they are basically at 'tidewater' level, and thus the railroad's name.
The TS was both an electric interurban and freight operation. Quite a bit of the trackage is still in existence, now owned and operated by the Union Pacific.
There are several historical support groups including those folks who follow the Western Pacific, a previous owner of the TS.
Happy RRing,
Jerry
Yep. The "Tidewater" threw me off. I thought it was a rival of the OLD Norfolk Southern. Not a chance. Athearn plans on relasing a TS boxcar this year.
And yes - the number of roads with "Pacific" in the name - or similar - who didn't make it. My favorite is the St. Louis-San Francisco - how far west did it get?
Gene
My favorite is the St. Louis-San Francisco - how far west did it get?
Gene
Tulsa, Oklahoma, maybe Advard Oklahoma which might be west of Tulsa.
It also got down to Dallas, but I think that Tulsa is farther west... not sure ::) With the Katy it ran the Texas Special.
I believe there was an article on this railroad in the fallen flags section of Classic Trains last year.
HO-Ron
St. Louis-San Francisco - how far west did they go? They went to Quanah, Texas. This is about 10 miles east of the sw corner of Oklahoma.
David Moffat's Denver Northwestern & Pacific made it to Craig Co (6 miles west of our ranch) and ran out of money. In fact the railroad was to terminate in Salt Lake City, a major crossroads.
Then it became Denver Salt Lake Railway but that just got 3 depots built. (Steamboat, Hayden, Craig).
Of course my favorite is Union Pacific, recently honored by Fortune magazine as "Most Admired Railroad".
How many railroads were suffixed "Southern" or "Pacific"? I can't find the right search keywords to bring up a list.
In addition to the previous Tidewater Southern:
Norfolk Southern (original)
Norfolk Southern (current)
Wisconsin and Southern
Walkersville Southern
Southern
Southern Pacific
Delta Southern
Hardin Southern
Birmingham Southern
Alton and Southern
Kansas City Southern
Santa Fe Southern
Gene
Rio Grande Southern
Georgia Southern (and Florida)
Chicago & Southern (Michigan)
Carolina Southern
Arkansas Southern
Confederate Southern (while under Confederate occupation)
Central Pacific
Western Pacific
Don't forget the Southern!
Missouri Pacific
Kansas Pacific
Colorado Southern
Northern Pacific
Northwestern Pacific
Port Townsend Southern(my local railroad)
Puget Sound & Pacific
Denver South Park & Pacific
North Pacific Coast
South Pacific Coast
St. Louis Southwestern(I guse that kind of counts)
Pacific Coast Railway
Alambama Great Southern
Western Pacific
Pacific Electric
I already mentioned the Southern!
Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific
Gene
roscoe snyder & pacific
pacific great eastern
atlantic & pacific (an erie predecessor)
ohio southern (not jim hediger's layout, this os is a part of ohio central.)
west virginia southern
grand trunk pacific (a CN predecessor)
missouri pacific
texas & pacific
border pacific
Amazing, nobody said Canadian Pacific
I don't see the AGS on the list - Alabama Great Southern.
I believe you're mixing Grand Trunk Western, with Duluth Winnipeg & Pacific
Duluth Winnipeg & Pacific
Ontario Southern
New England Southern
Have we run out of Pacific and Southern? How about "Western", starting with my favorite Denver & Rio Grande Western.
By the way, I saw a listing for an AC4400 in Rio Grande. That should raise some eyebrows. 8)
Quote from: Guilford Guy on March 25, 2009, 04:07:20 PM
I believe you're mixing Grand Trunk Western, with Duluth Winnipeg & Pacific
The Grand Trunk Pacific was owned by the Grand Trunk and operated between Winnipeg and Prince Rupert. Both the Grand Trunk Pacific and the Grand Trunk became part of the Canadian National.
Here in Saskatoon Saskatchewan the Grand Trunk Pacific railway bridge built in 1908 is still in use by the CN. Most people still call it 'The Grand Trunk Bridge' even though it was taken over by the CN in 1920.
I have a nice souvenir of this railway, much like this one for sale on eBay
http://tinyurl.com/cf3ht2 (http://tinyurl.com/cf3ht2)
Quote from: jward on March 24, 2009, 11:19:14 PM
roscoe snyder & pacific
pacific great eastern
atlantic & pacific (an erie predecessor)
ohio southern (not jim hediger's layout, this os is a part of ohio central.)
west virginia southern
grand trunk pacific (a CN predecessor)
missouri pacific
texas & pacific
border pacific
Who was/is Roscoe Snyder? Never heard of him. ... ???
Quote from: Yampa Bob on March 27, 2009, 05:21:45 AM
Have we run out of Pacific and Southern? How about "Western", starting with my favorite Denver & Rio Grande Western.
How 'bout
Western & Atlantic, home to the
General and the
Texas? Does that count?
New York, Lake Erie & Western
New York, Ontario & Western
New York, Susquehanna & Western
Chesapeake Bay and Western - for anybody within 100 miles of Yorktwon, Virginia - the spring Open House is this weekend.
Norfolk and Western.
Western Pacific
Chicago and Northwestern
Gene
Jeff, check this out. :D
http://home.flash.net/~n5vav/RSP/rsp.html
California Western
Connecticut Western
Chicago & Northwestern (CNW)
Green Bay & Western
Philadelphia & Western
St. Louis Southwestern
Western Pacific
Western New York & Pennsylvania
Quote from: Yampa Bob on March 27, 2009, 02:02:14 PM
Jeff, check this out. :D
http://home.flash.net/~n5vav/RSP/rsp.html
How about that! :D
Quote from: Guilford Guy on March 27, 2009, 04:13:18 PM
California Western
Connecticut Western
Chicago & Northwestern (CNW)
Green Bay & Western
Philadelphia & Western
St. Louis Southwestern
Western Pacific
Western New York & Pennsylvania
Locally known as the P & W, or the **** & Whistle. ...
Ooops. Am I allowed to say that on this web site? :-[
Gene, oops missed it the first time around. So many.... Stephen
What's the railroad with the reporting marks: KGB? I know the GB is for "Green Bay."
Gene
I don't know about Green Bay, but the one I do know is the Kingston and George Bay Railroad.
HO-Ron
That must be it. I've heard some compnay has a KGB boxcar model.
Gene
Quote from: SteamGene on March 28, 2009, 05:14:27 PM
What's the railroad with the reporting marks: KGB? I know the GB is for "Green Bay."
Gene
How about KGB&W - Kewaunee, Green Bay & Western??
Maybe that's it. I'd like to have a car with the reporting marks. :D
Gene
Here is a list of acronyms, try pronouncing the first one.
http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/KGB
Check out the last two on the list. :D
We often have "Kahlua, Grand Marnier, Bailey's Irish Cream", except out here it's called "Smythe & Kearns". 8)
I did and my wife washed my mouth out with soap! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Oh no! Not more bubbles!
ya, lots and lots of bubbles :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Dakota, Missouri Valley & Western (DVMW)
Red River Valley & Western Railroad (RRVW)
I wonder how the RRV&W is handling the flooding?
Gene
Ok, how about "Northern" railroads.
Great Northern
Reading Northern
Burlington Northern
Georgia Northern
Fredericksburg & Northern
Florida Northern
California Northern
Kansas City Northern
West Virginia Northern
Pittsburg Shawmut & Northern
Sierra Northern
Cincinatti Northern
Nevada Northern
Iola & Northern
Tennessee Northern
Mobile & Great Northern
Chippewa River & Northern
Chicago Madison & Northern
Northern Pacific?
Vermont Northern
Pacific Northern ;D
New London Northern
Northwestern pacific
that takes care of 3
And the winner (I think) is...(tada)..railroads suffixed "Eastern".
Expecting a short list, I did a search with the keywords "Eastern Railroads". I found (groan) over 50. I can't handle that much typing, though I did scribble the list on a notepad. Someone else can have a go at it. 8)
Are we having fun yet?