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#1
PCB06 has the smoker power after the PTC so one must assume Bachmann has taken all into account when they sized PTC. Unless of course they have also changed their smoker.
#2
The grain of wheat bulb (incandescent) does not require a resistor and may be wired direct to track or motor.
The smoker may also be wired directly to track or motor.
I recommend tapping into the motor wires as that takes advantage of the protection PTC on PCB06.
#3
So the chassis (90037 and 90040) available at the parts store are Version 5B
As you noted there are "connectorized" (you don't want to use the phrase plug 'n play)
You only need two (2) connections between your old "shell" and the new "chassis"
They are Headlight and Smoker (if your old shell has a NMRA/Large direction switch, this goes unused, unless you really want to do some major rewiring)
Couple challenges.
(a) The PCB06 in the new chassis is designed for an LED headlight, using it with a grain-of-wheat bulb will probably give little to no illumination.
  There is an LED available on the parts website: https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_139&products_id=4852 and
  that requires some remodeling of the headlight assembly.
(b) To connect the headlight and smoker to PCB06 you would have to add JST connectors that use crimp style pins and you would have to invest in the plastic
  plug housings, the crimp pins, and the crimp tool. Another approach, if you are good with electronics soldering, is to remove the two connectors from PCB06
  and solder wires from shell directly to PCB06. This also requires some skill most don't have.

#4
Yes, the only tricky part is that since the CHUFF TRIGGER is driven by an opto-coupler instead of a mechanical switch, now polarity matters. George Schreyer showed schematics for both the original and the newer chuff sound boards in the Standard 4-6-0 tender. With the newer version, the CHUFF TRIGGER is switching the + terminal of the battery to the sound circuit (essentially powering on and off). Since polarity now matters, the B+ terminal (CON6 pin 1) must be connected to the battery + terminal of the tender. So some wire tracing/ohmmeter work may be in order.

The newer version of the tender chuff sound board is the one with the volume control/on-off sw and was introduced around 2000. Not completely sure how well this new CHUFF TRIGGER signal with work with original chuff sound boards.
#5
Here is the reverse engineered schematic for PCB06.
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#6
Large / Re: Compatibility New Annie vs old Chassis
November 18, 2025, 01:16:27 PM
From what I see, you can't get a Gen 7 chassis from the parts store. The only choice now is a Gen 5B.  Something must have happened to the original Gen 7 chassis (i.e. drop/break) and owner had to adopt the Gen 5B or earlier Gen 5. If the pilot truck is a drawbar its Gen 5B, if its a pivoting truck its Gen 5.   Just noticed it has chuff drum so its a Gen 5 chassis.
#7
Large / Re: Further Definition of Version 5B Chassis
November 13, 2025, 02:10:04 PM
Mainly from looking at photos on Bachmann parts website.
Starting with this video on Youtube (A Brief Look at the Improved Bachmann G Scale 4-6-0 Front) by RkyGriz.
If you watch carefully you can see that in the new drawbar truck, the axles of the pilot wheels are clearly visible from above.
In the old pivoting truck, the axles are covered by the plastic truck's frame. So you don't see axles from above.
Now go to Bachmann parts store and look at pictures of 90037 and 90040 assemblies.
You can see the axles from above on the pilot trucks, suggesting drawbar pilot truck.
Another data point is the Underframe at the parts store, it has the pivot point structure.
Looks to me like all the older V5 and below chassis, underframes, pilot trucks are sold out and gone for good......
Drawbar Pilot Truck
    https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=8545
Newer Underframe
    https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=14592

Bill, I think your ID "chart" is great, but it relies on almost all mechanical and physical descriptions (i.e. humps and plugs). As electronics has entered both the Annie and Standard lines, its worthwhile to add descriptive features about the electronics and capabilities.  Like the Standard V5B (if 90037/40 are V5B) now contains a PCB that supports only a limited set of features (i.e. no rear tender headlight) and different implementations (i.e. optical chuff sensor vs. older "drum" sensor)
Just my observations as I wasn't sure what constituted a V5B and when/why it came about.
#8
Large / Further Definition of Version 5B Chassis
November 12, 2025, 08:37:35 AM
In reviewing chassis ID sticky and looking at "Standard" (not Anniversary) chassis for sale in parts dept.
Is Loco Chassis (90037) and (90040) (Large 4-6-0 Standard) what is being considered as Version 5B?
If so, description for V5B might be enhanced
  Standard Chassis (not Anniversary)
  Connectorized Wiring
  Main PCB (PCB06)
  Optical Chuff Sensor (PCB08)
  Drawbar Pilot Truck
  Plastic Side rods and detail parts
  Smoke Switch (based on what main PCB06 supports)
  LED headlight (based on what main PCB06 supports)
  No Tender Backup LED (based on what main PCB06 supports)

https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_669&products_id=4094
https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_669&products_id=12182

These seem to be the only chassis available in the "Standard" line and will require a fair amount of rework (especially soldering)
to rework a V5 thru V2 "Standard" loco.
#9
The chuff drum OR chuff sensor will be on the front driver. Should have one or the other.

The bottom cover (known as Loco Underframe (Large 4-6-0), 900XX-UF-01) contains two long brass strips, left and right that contact the front and rear drivers (the middle is a dummy driver). On a fully assembled underframe (V5B but not V5), the pilot truck wires connect to the brass pickups and then a single pair of wires (track power) go up an into the "chassis".

Underframe
  https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=14592
Brass Pickups (Contacts/Pair Anniversary(Large 4-6-0), G812X-MT010
  https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=8854
#10
So the latest Bachmann "Standard" (non-Anniversary chassis) (it's not v7 or v5, what are we calling it?), has connectorized assembly as as you noted and in the "chassis" there is a central PCB (G912X-PCB06-A) that accepts all the connectors:
  Track, 2-pin connected to wires from base plate containing wheels and pilot truck pickups (so this is power in)
  Motor, 2-pin connected to motor, note polarity noted as M+
  Smoker, 2-pin connected to smoke unit in "shell"
  SW/LED, 4-pin connected to headlight LED in shell and "most likely" to Smoke On/Off Switch under smokebox door. Two functions, LED power and Smoke On/Off.
  SENSOR, 3-pins going to the new chuff sensor on the front driver axle (PCB08). Looks to be optical/IR with a two-blade interrupter plate on front driver axle.
     The 3 pins are VDD (a voltage to the sensor created from track power using a DC/DC converter (see U2), GND, and 'T' which is basically the signal from
       the sensor.
     This optical sensor signal needs to be converted to something the tender can use just like what was created by the chuff drum and contacts in V5 and below.
     This is done by Q1 and the 4-pin device next to it, an opto-coupler whose output transistor is connected to the TRIGGER connector. So a transistor replaces
       the chuff mechanical contacts.
  TRIGGER, 2-pin connector that connects to the small pcb at rear of loco (PCB02) that contains the chuff on/off switch and the two-pin connection to the
     tender to "trigger" the chuff sound board in tender.

So if your chassis still has the chuff drum and pickups on the front driver axle, these two wires to go the rear loco PCB board (PCB02).
If your chassis has the newer front driver AND the sensor board, the sensor board (PCB08) is connected to SENSOR and the TRIGGER is connected to the rear loco PCB (PCB02).

New V? PCB (G912X-PCB06-A)
  https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=14587
New front driver chuff sensor (PCB08)
  https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=14586
New front driver (notice interrupter plates in center of axle)
  https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=10420
Rear Loco PCB (PCB02) supply connection point to tender cable
  https://estore.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=69_671_148&products_id=10232

 
#11
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#12
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#13
Large / Re: Compatibility New Annie vs old Chassis
October 29, 2025, 08:54:15 AM
Clearly a modified (seemingly well done) of a V7 loco shell with a V5 frame/chassis especially with the wiring. Should be noted that seller also has a 4-6-0 modified to a Camelback. Appears as the original owner was into "extreme" modifications. Why? Only he/she knows. I will say that the workmanship looks pretty good. One thing, I have never seen V7 chassis on Bachmann parts store, so maybe chassis was broken and original owner wanted new chassis from Bman parts so settled for V5 and adapted wiring.
#14
Large / Re: Compatibility New Annie vs old Chassis
October 26, 2025, 08:35:34 AM
Really need to see a picture of the rear of loco to see what type of connector/cable is present. Since photo shows tender connector unattached, no way to know if even possible to connect. Seller told Fred2179 that he's not really a train guy, so he may not have even tried to connect and run, simply removed from box to take pictures and assumes it all matches and works.
#15
Large / Re: Compatibility New Annie vs old Chassis
October 21, 2025, 01:35:57 PM
So it is the original box now containing the original tender and the original loco shell.
But for some unknown reason the original chassis has been removed from the original shell and been replaced by an older version chassis that looks in nearly new condition.