Recently I had a real wiring headache with a new Bachmann Spectrum 4-8-2 Light Mountain.... and a B'mann Vandy tender that I bought from Bachmann to use with the new engine instead of the original USRA tender that came with that locomotive. I decided to write NMRA, because this model is clearly advertised as DCC Ready, and has DCC Ready printed both on the instruction sheet, and the box that the locomotive was packaged in. The forum thread where I posted the details of the hard-wiring of both the Bachmann locomotive & tender is shown below... in case you want the whole story.
Http://www.2guyz.info/Forums/viewtopic/t=4843.HTML
I have just received the reply back from NMRA, only to find that NMRA Tech, Bill Jameson... had the same exact problem with a Con Cor locomotive that he had purchased. He explained that "DCC READY" actually means nothing.... unless it is accompanied by the NMRA Conformance Warrant seal !!! ( Which is an oval, or "football" shaped sticker or imprint) Manufacturers are free to list their engines as DCC Ready and DCC Installed without conforming to any NMRA Standard. I have 5 Bachmann Spectrum , 4 BLI, and 1 Proto locomotive, and I have just checked the boxes and I did not see a "football shaped" seal. Here is Jamison's e-mail reply... I'm just baffled by Bachmann's practice to keep building such great looking, and great performing locomotives that do not seem to honor the standard wiring conventions!
Read it and weep !!!!
Bob Hollowell
IronGoat@comcast.net
-------Original Message-------
From: b-n-ferrco@cfl.rr.com
Date: 6/26/2008 4:10:35 PM
To: Robert Hollowell
Subject: Re: Fw: Wiring issues...
Hi Robert,
I really hate to hear modelers having the kind of problems that you are having. I don't know much about the Bachmann Spectrum line of steam locomotives. However, I will try to shed some light on the term "DCC Ready."
Is there an NMRA Conformance "Football" on the package that the models came in? If an NMRA Conformance Warrant that has been issued for this model, I would expect the wiring to conform to the NMRA standard. If there is no Conformance Warrant issued for the model, the manufacturer is free to do what ever they want as long as the model runs on DC (and DCC if they claim it to be "DCC Ready").
The term "DCC Ready" is rather vague and leaves a lot of room for interpretation. In the most basic term, "DCC Ready" means that you can remove the jumpers in the model that allow it to run on DC and install (Plug and Play) a DCC decoder and have the model run on DCC. "DCC Ready" makes no claim to be compliant with the NMRA DCC standards other than to run on DCC and have the basic light functions work, i.e.; front head light on when going forward and rear head light on when backing up.
I recently purchased a Con Cor Zephyr in HO scale. I also purchased the "add on car" when it was released. The "add on car" had the wiring for track power wired back wards to the rest of the train. What really got me, the "add on car" came with instructions that stated that the second run of the basic train was wired backwards to first run of the train and the car was wired to match the second run of the train. So the first thing that I had to do was take the model a part and fix the wiring problem. The model did not have a Conformance Warrant issued to it so I was not surprised.
The only time a model meets the NMRA Standards is when it has a Conformance Warrant issued to it. If there is a problem with a model that has been issued a Conformance Warrant and the Tech Department is notified, we can retest the model to insure that it still meets the Standard. If the model fails to meet the standards, the manufacture is advised that the Conformance Warrant has been revoked and to remove the Warrant from the packaging.
Regards
William E. Jameson
Coordinator, HO Standards
Http://www.2guyz.info/Forums/viewtopic/t=4843.HTML
I have just received the reply back from NMRA, only to find that NMRA Tech, Bill Jameson... had the same exact problem with a Con Cor locomotive that he had purchased. He explained that "DCC READY" actually means nothing.... unless it is accompanied by the NMRA Conformance Warrant seal !!! ( Which is an oval, or "football" shaped sticker or imprint) Manufacturers are free to list their engines as DCC Ready and DCC Installed without conforming to any NMRA Standard. I have 5 Bachmann Spectrum , 4 BLI, and 1 Proto locomotive, and I have just checked the boxes and I did not see a "football shaped" seal. Here is Jamison's e-mail reply... I'm just baffled by Bachmann's practice to keep building such great looking, and great performing locomotives that do not seem to honor the standard wiring conventions!
Read it and weep !!!!
Bob Hollowell
IronGoat@comcast.net
-------Original Message-------
From: b-n-ferrco@cfl.rr.com
Date: 6/26/2008 4:10:35 PM
To: Robert Hollowell
Subject: Re: Fw: Wiring issues...
Hi Robert,
I really hate to hear modelers having the kind of problems that you are having. I don't know much about the Bachmann Spectrum line of steam locomotives. However, I will try to shed some light on the term "DCC Ready."
Is there an NMRA Conformance "Football" on the package that the models came in? If an NMRA Conformance Warrant that has been issued for this model, I would expect the wiring to conform to the NMRA standard. If there is no Conformance Warrant issued for the model, the manufacturer is free to do what ever they want as long as the model runs on DC (and DCC if they claim it to be "DCC Ready").
The term "DCC Ready" is rather vague and leaves a lot of room for interpretation. In the most basic term, "DCC Ready" means that you can remove the jumpers in the model that allow it to run on DC and install (Plug and Play) a DCC decoder and have the model run on DCC. "DCC Ready" makes no claim to be compliant with the NMRA DCC standards other than to run on DCC and have the basic light functions work, i.e.; front head light on when going forward and rear head light on when backing up.
I recently purchased a Con Cor Zephyr in HO scale. I also purchased the "add on car" when it was released. The "add on car" had the wiring for track power wired back wards to the rest of the train. What really got me, the "add on car" came with instructions that stated that the second run of the basic train was wired backwards to first run of the train and the car was wired to match the second run of the train. So the first thing that I had to do was take the model a part and fix the wiring problem. The model did not have a Conformance Warrant issued to it so I was not surprised.
The only time a model meets the NMRA Standards is when it has a Conformance Warrant issued to it. If there is a problem with a model that has been issued a Conformance Warrant and the Tech Department is notified, we can retest the model to insure that it still meets the Standard. If the model fails to meet the standards, the manufacture is advised that the Conformance Warrant has been revoked and to remove the Warrant from the packaging.
Regards
William E. Jameson
Coordinator, HO Standards
