Safety film on the Missouri Pacific on the late 1940s.

My favorite Railroad, my favorite time period.  The railroads were perfect art form in those days.

Watch, and comment.  Several very interesting interesting things are seen that I'll discuss later.

https://youtu.be/8ZgoSfD0TVM?si=QkhBPpOeQkSP0Por

The Spectrum Richmond 4-4-0 that came in a black box had a multitude of spare parts like extra pilots and fuel loads for the tender, noticeably a very nice oil bunker.

The second version of the 4-4-0 came in either a blue box or a red box, depending on whether or not it was DCC.

My question is, did these blue and red box engines come with an oil bunker? It shows on the parts diagram, but in looking through all the parts I collected after buying a number of these engines, I can only find enough of those oil bunkers to address the Richmond engines I bought.  it's been such a very long time now since I bought those I can't remember what all came with them. I could use at least a dozen of those bunkers on different engines.  If could confirm that I really got them I'll keep looking. But it's the classic deal with putting them in a safe place that was so safe that it's too safe and now they can't be found.

I'd previously seen that an N scale Frisco 2-8-0 was going to be offered, but today's email from the Bach Man did not include it.  What gives here?  Was production cut short?

I have one and the whistle selection is really good.  There are at least five out of 15 that I like, setting a record, I usually don't like that large of a percentage in any decoder selection.

However, I don't know what they are called. Could I get the Bach Man to please post a numerically ordered list of each Whistle by name?  Many thanks in advance.  Normally Soundtraxx posts this information on their website, but this particular engine is not shown yet there.

PS.  The Whistle choices on the N scale Hudson as per the Soundtraxx web site are the best yet, I like all but two. The problem is that I am never going to get a N scale Hudson.  It wouldn't hurt to use that particular whistle Library on all of your Econami equipped engines! At least as far as I'm concerned!

Has there been a second run of the consolidation lettered for Southern Railway?  Particularly with Econami decoder, instead of the previous sound value decoder.

I just bought a consolidation lettered for Santa Fe number 2525.  It came with an Econami decoder, which is a big improvement over the previous sound value. But there is no indication on the box that there's a different decoder, it just says sound value, even though an Econami is in the engine.  If there has been another run of the southern railway version of this engine, and if it has the Econami, I would like to know how I could be certain if I bought one that it would contain the Econami decoder.

Almost unknown, but great. One of my favorites.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4FbJhGFPE&pp=ygUpRnJvbSBOZXcgWW9yayB0byBOZXcgT3JsZWFucyBQZWUtd2VlIGtpbmc%3D

I'm about to acquire a Missouri Pacific 2-8-0 from way back in the Jurassic period.  I'd like to know if the present edition of the 2-8-0 has an improved motor over the motors from these engines made at least 25 years ago.  If the present motors are that much better, I'll get a sacrificial donor new one at sale price and put my MP shells on it.

When a DC power pack started being called a "controller."  Or even DCC power sources like the EZ command.

Some people with very large layouts run very long trains, and need a lot of cars to fill out such a train. I've always modeled a branch line and never had a whole lot of space to start with, so I have always run short trains, nine cars is long for me.  And the most cars my layout can hold is about 30.

When I first started model railroading, I bought cars based on low price and didn't look at the detail quality. Then I started looking at more expensive, but better detailed cars, and went WOW despite the higher price, these look so much better with the finer details such as scale sized stirrups and ladders and separately applied details.

For a while I redetailed the lesser detailed cars with better stirrups and brakewheel and such, and upgraded their performance with Kadee couplers and metal wheels, but they still didn't look as good as the better but more expensive cars, so I slowly got rid of a large number of relative toylike appearing cars in favor of much fewer with enhanced realism.

At this point, I can say for myself, that all the money I spent on couplers, wheels, and details could have been better spent on a few more better detailed cars. 

The downside of these beautiful cars is that they are very fragile compared to cheaper cars. They cannot take handling by children or frequent loading and offloading onto the layout.  They may not be for you. 

1. I see that there is a new N scale consolidation lettered for Frisco. Will there be one in HO? Please note that the tender numerals are a little too large and a little too close together.

2.  Will we get a HO Southern Railway consolidation with a different road number besides 630? Again, note that the tender numerals are little too close together.

3.  Will we one day get an HO Frisco 2-8–2 with a different number besides 4027? And will it come with Econami sound? Also, the rectangular number plate under the headlight is erroneous, it should be the Frisco "coonskin" design. It was done correctly on the decapod and on the light 4–8–2 of many years ago, it would be nice to have the rest of the Frisco engines done properly as well

As I've said many times in the past, one of the big things was unfortunately omitted from sound value decoders was CV 113, the one that keeps the engine quiet when first powered up until moved, then shuts the sound off after a time interval selected by the user. The blower and air pump just keep whirring all the time when you first turn it on, very annoying when all your other engines are still quiet.

It occurred to me that you could solve this aggravation by turning down the volumes of the blower and the air pump.  It worked. CV 132 is the air pump volume. CV 134 is the blower volume. I turned both down to a value of five. You can barely hear them, but you know they're there and they're not overpowering everything else around it.

Try it out and report back.

Part 8 - A trip down the Midland Western (using DCC) - wrap-up

You have to look very hard today to find anyone interested in branchline model railroading, especially modeling such railroading in the entirely steam era. I know, I've looked. I only know of one other guy on the entire Gulf Coast who is. If you're looking for heavy, exciting mainline action, it's not for you.  But, as far as fitting relatively realistic operation onto a small model railroad, you're never going to get a Big Boy or the Super Chief looking very realistic on a 4 x 8 layout, or even anything a good bit bigger.

 You can, however, create a reasonable facsimile of small time railroading in such spaces.  But it is not the first choice of almost everyone entering model railroading.

First of all, small time railroading just does not have the kinetic appeal of the big time operations. Secondly, many, if not most, old-fashioned short lines and branchlines are long, long gone today, so there is no first-hand witness to these operations anymore, although there is somewhat of a resurgence in modern short lines that often are the result of local businesses purchasing a soon to be abandoned branch to retain rail service at their facility.  Personally, I don't find the same appeal in these modern operations as I do in the short lines and branches of 75 years ago with steam power, outdated rundown equipment, and weed grown track.  But that's just me. I was lucky to be raised in a town with not one, but two branchlines, both very fine prototypes to model. And they are both gone today.  If there's anyone interested in modern short line modeling, I'd like to hear about it. Thirdly, the few people I've ever known that have re-created short line and branch line operations have been model railroading a very long time, and have matured into more realistic aspirations about their space available. Or, like me, were witness to these now-disappeared operations. On small layouts with sharp curves and switches, small steam engines like 10 wheelers and consolidations just look a heck of a lot better and more realistic than  giant modern excursion-era steam and full-length passenger cars.

Part of my motivation to detail a typical train trip on my layout was to show that very realistic operations can be duplicated on a small layout.  You don't even need a loop of track.  I have a 50 foot long point-to-point main line with two terminals and two intermediate communities. That's longer than some layouts, but a whole lot shorter than many larger ones where prototypical operations are typically conducted.

Prototype operations have a lot more detail than is needed to merely make a model train roll, but if you have knowledge of what the prototype really does, you can incorporate some parts of it into your own operation.  My own experiences working on an operational steam locomotive 40 years ago are invaluable, but this knowledge can be found online.  Advanced DCC decoders like the tsunami2–2 have multiple functions that give you a gateway to some of the prototypical functions of a steam locomotive.  Cylinder cocks, wheel slip, coupler crash, Johnson bar are only some of them. There are others I still need to educate myself how to use, such as dynamic digital exhaust, and engine/train braking. 

Plus, knowledge of rules of the road is good to have.  I have a friend who is a retired SP engineer who unsuccessfully (and regrettably for me) tried to get me to go to work for the Southern Pacific almost 50 years ago.  Many long conversations with him gave me much great insight, as well as model railroaders who had railroad experience.  Rulebooks are good to have if you can get through them.  The ones I had for the Houston Division of the SP were like a mid-sized city telephone directory.

Obviously, not everyone is going to dig this deep into actual railroading to simply operate their train and relax.  You can always do that. Before I retired, nothing relaxed me from the workday more than doing simple switching moves for an hour or so on the layout, with a TV show going in the background. But if you choose, you can immerse yourself and completely lose yourself in prototypical operations.

I hope my little series has provided enjoyment for a few people in their model railroad journey. Comments are welcome.

My friend has one of the high boiler 10 wheelers that Bachmann discontinued many long years ago. This one had not run in years, 10 or 12 at least.

I provided a full service lubrication on all rods with light oil and on the driver gear with some Labella light grease, very small applications of each. Plus, a droplet of oil on each axle bearing.

Running forward, performance is perfect, smooth as silk and purring like a kitten. In reverse, performance is smooth, but there is an intermittent snag that cannot be predicted when it will happen. It is, however, always at the same point of the driver revolution. Sometimes it catches hard enough to stop the engine .

The only thing is, though, when you block the engine up to spin the wheels in reverse in traditional time-tested run-in method, the snag disappears. The wheel spin, just as smoothly and perfectly when blocked up as when running forward.

I know for certain that the problem is between the driver axle gear and the worm gear. Some type of axle slack is allowing it to be pushed up too firmly into the worm gear when the engines weight  pushes it up. I am very reluctant to disassemble this engine to look at this problem head on. 

Has anyone else ever had this happen before? If so, what did you do about it? Please report. This engine is nowhere to be found used anywhere anymore, so we can't replace it. Besides, it is a beautifully done custom decal job.

Part 7 - A trip down the Midland Western (using DCC) - on into Thunder Grove

Note:  all DCC references are for operation with an NCE pro cab running steam engines with tsunami 2–2 decoders.

The Midland Western is a subsidiary of the Gulf Coast Lines, operated by both the Missouri Pacific and the Frisco.  The year is 1940.

While the two brakemen walk the train length in preparation for departure from Donna Pass, checking the couplers and the air hose connections, the engineer is on the ground walking around the engine, oiling around all the valve, gear and rods. The fireman is in the cab, rebuilding the fire and building up a head of steam for the last few miles. The cross-compound air pump is busily thumping away, building the air, brake line pressure up to service level.

Once all the checking of everything is complete, the brakemen return to their assigned locations and the engineer climbs up into the cab.  He opens the cylinder cocks (F4) and sounds two shorts on the ATSF six chime whistle to announce departure. The engine slowly begins to roll forward, and after 10 seconds, the hogger closes the cylinder cocks (F4.) As the engine rolls over some wet leaves, the drivers slightly slip (F19.) The train approaches a gravel road grade crossing, and the hogger sounds the appropriate warning on the six chime - two longs, short, and a long.

Thunder Grove is only 8 miles to the west, and the downgrade trip does not require the Johnson bar to be notched all the way back  (F5, 3 taps). As the train approaches town, the track begins a long, slow turn to the south. The hogger blows a single long blast on the six chime, announcing approach to the station which is actually the Midland Western general office building, a converted former two-story wood frame house painted in standard railroad yellow with brown trim.

The train smoothly drifts to a stop with the caboose in front of the office building, and the passengers hurriedly jump down from the caboose and run to Hattie's Hotel and Bar, next door to the office building, for liquid refreshment after bouncing around in the caboose for 20 miles over the poorly maintained weedy Midland Western track. While the brakemen are unloading the LCL freight from the side door caboose, the engine uncouples from the train,  and pulls up past the southernmost switch on the Midland Western.  It then backs up around the train on the run around track to pick up the caboose and shove it down to the southern end of the single yard track, since there is no luxury of a caboose track in Thunder Grove.

With this final task done, the the road crew is relieved by a yard crew that has been waiting at the office building. They will sort the cars in the yard and switch the several railroad customers and Frisco, interchange in Thunder Grove. It has taken almost 8 hours to get the train over the 20 miles of Midland Western track, so the crew also heads to Hattie's, where over liquid refreshment they will tell and retell yet another time the stories and legends of the Midland Western ... the dramatic downgrade runaway from Donna Pass, and particularly the great Midland Tragedy of generations ago.

Most of us got involved with trains and railroads as children, many with electric trains, others by living close to the railroads and seeing trains pass. Your age has a lot to do with what you saw and what brought you into this pastime that brings us together.

This is a place to relive those memories and share them with us. I've got a lot to say here, but I've got to gather my stories together.  I'll let a couple other people lead off first.

I may have done this on the old forum. If, so, forgive me, I slip sometimes.

Log in and comment if your layout is strictly all – steam locomotives. I'm talking about Standard Gauge Railroading the way it was was in the mid 1930's or so.  No diesels on your rail, period. Yes, I know there were a few diesel-powered streamliners around in the mid-1930s. They are not a discussion issue.

I'm also not counting narrow gauge railroading like in Colorado which is nearly always all steam.  I am interested in those folks that model classic American golden – age railroading before diesels appeared. People like me, who don't run one single diesel, ever. I suspect the list will be pretty short.

Question for the Bach Man:

What sound system will the next group of Pacifics have? Soundtraxx sound value? Or TCS Wow sound?

Part 6 - A trip down the Midland Western (using DCC) - The meet at Donna Pass

Note:  all DCC references are for operation with an NCE pro cab running steam engines with tsunami 2–2 decoders.

The Midland Western is a subsidiary of the Gulf Coast Lines, operated by both the Missouri Pacific and the Frisco.  The year is 1940.

While Midland Western Train No. 3 is taking on water at the Donna Pass water tank, the conductor is in the telegraph cabin communicating with the Midland Western general office in Thunder Grove about the status of the line ahead.  He is surprised to find that an unexpected extra freight has just left 8-mile-distant Thunder Grove eastbound. He immediately sends a flagman west for protection and plans the moves needed to clear the line for the extra. Four more cars can be cut from the train and pushed into the team track behind the water tank, leaving four on the the train plus the caboose, which will fit into the passing track to allow the extra to pass.

The moves are completed and the mainline cleared just as the eastbound extra can be seen emerging from a curve about a half mile down the track.  It is proceeding very slowly, having been warned by the flagman from No. 3 who was picked up a half mile west of Donna Pass and is riding in the cab ready to jump off when No.3 is reached.

As the extra draws closer, the crew can see that the locomotive pulling the extra is Missouri Pacific 2-8-0 No. 185, one of five surviving members of the unique MP 180-class that was lost track of in an oversight by an incompetent roundhouse foreman, who accidentally wrote them off the books while they were over on the Midland Western. Everyone involved felt it best to leave well enough alone, so the engines remain on the Midland Western.  Even beyond this incredible occurrence, almost 60 years later a major Model Railroad manufacturer chose this very engine to be the prototype for their HO 2-8-0 model.  The 180-class engines are a little heavier than the decapods, accordingly slightly tougher on the track, and are usually a second choice for train service, although they are very good engines.

What the crew also sees is that Extra 185 East is only two cars long, which made all the switching to get No.3 off of the main line unnecessary.  The two cars are a rush shipment of LCL freight moving to the team track of Laskey for a preferred customer, having just been set off from a Frisco main line manifest freight at Thunder Grove only a couple of hours before.  Such occasional miscommunication does occur on the Midland Western, but it is such a lightly and slowly traveled line that no real danger ever is created.

Missouri Pacific Engine 185 slowly drifts past Frisco Engine 1632. The flagman from No.3 swings down from 185's cab.  As the engines pass each other, the hoggers salute each other with two quick little shorts on their whistles, as was customary on short lines long years ago.  The short eastbound extra trundles past, preparing to take an easy downgrade trip the 7 miles to Laskey.

Once Extra 185 has cleared the east end switch of the passing track by the water tank, No.3's crew reassembles the eight car train for the last eight uneventful miles into Thunder Grove, to tie the train up and hand it over to the switching crew to break it up and service local customers and the Frisco interchange track. 

Part 5 - A trip down the Midland Western (using DCC) - crossing the summit at Donna Pass

Note:  all DCC references are for operation with an NCE pro cab running steam engines with tsunami 2–2 decoders.

The Midland Western is a subsidiary of the Gulf Coast Lines, operated by both the Missouri Pacific and the Frisco.  The year is 1940.

The superheated exhaust chuff of 2-10-0 No. 1632 Midland Western is barking loudly as it struggles up the 2% grade with the Johnson bar fully notched, pulling Train No. 3 toward the summit at Donna Pass. Ahead at the summit the crew can see the water tank where they will stop for water to continue the trip to Thunder Grove some 8 miles distant.

Spotting the tender at the tank water spout will mean that the entire train behind the engine is still on the grade. With such a long train, the 1632 might not be able to start it again. The crew, though, having faced this before, knows exactly what to do. The Donna Pass passing track and team track lies just west of the tank and over the peak of the summit on level ground.  Without stopping at the tank, they pull the train partly past the last switch of the passing track. Then backing up, starting with with three shorts on the ATSF six-chime (F3), they set out the 5 cars of pea gravel ballast on the team track behind the water tank.  Then they move forward out of the team track starting with two forward shorts (F3), realign the switch back to the main, and with three backup shorts return to the tank with the other half of the train, knowing that they will be able to start eight cars on the grade again. 

The hogger cuts the steam (option key) as the train smoothly drifts to a stop, with the tender water hatch lined up with the tank spout.  The firemen, standing on the tender deck, gives hand signals to get the tender spotted correctly. He opens the water hatch, pulls down the water spout, and pulls a second chain to open the water valve on the tank (F16.). When the tender is full, he will return the spout up high and close the water hatch (F16 again.). During the water stop, the engineer is down on the ground walking around the engine, oiling around on the valve gear and rods, as is customary every time the engine comes to a stop anywhere. (automatic background sounds).

While the engine is taking on water, the conductor goes into the little telegraph cabin next to the water tank to check with Thunder Grove for any orders. This is necessary when running on dark unsignaled territory such as the Midland Western . Usually there are none.  He is surprised today, however, to find that an eastbound extra freight is just departing Thunder Grove, and that a meet must occur at Donna Pass. This greatly concerns the conductor, who does not yet know how long the approaching extra freight is, but does know that his now-eight-car No. 3 is still too long for the passing track.  Long ago the Midland Western decreed that no sawby meets be conducted at Donna Pass after a couple of runaways happened on the grade just to the east of the summit. The conductor knows that he will have to put three or four cars of his train on the team track to get No. 3 to fit on the passing track. 

Short passing tracks have always been a problem on the Midland Western, since it was built years ago when mostly light 4-4-0 and 4-6-0 engines pulled the short trains, but many limitations prevent the lengthening of them to truly accommodate the longer trains of more recent times.  The conductor advises the four passengers in the caboose to disembark and to have a seat on a bench next to the telegraph cabin while the train is separated and switched into sections that can be accommodated off of the main line at Donna Pass.  There's not a lot of time to get this done as the high pitched 5-chime steam whistle of the approaching extra is beginning to be audible far off to the west. The conductor sends a flagman out to the west for protection if needed.

Part 4 - A trip down the Midland Western (using DCC) - action on the grade

Note:  all DCC references are for grade operation with an NCE pro cab running steam engines with tsunami 2–2 decoders.

The Midland Western is a subsidiary of the Gulf Coast Lines, operated by both the Missouri Pacific and the Frisco.  The year is 1940.

Working from switch lists and waybills, the train crew always knew that they were going to have a steep climb up the westbound grade out of Laskey.  The shop crew in Midland accordingly assigned one of several Russian decapods available to take No. 3 to Thunder Grove.  Two from the Missouri Pacific and two from the Frisco are always on the property, along with two that belong to the Midland Western itself. Long ago the Midland Western realized that Russian decapods were the ideal power for this line, good tractive effort combined with light axle loading suited to the lightly built track.

On occasion in the past, a mikado from either the Missouri Pacific, or the Frisco had been on the property.  These engines were generally assigned only to switching in the yards at either end, thought to be a little heavy for the light trackage out on the branch.  Today, though, none were in Midland, so a decapod was assigned instead of one of the several Missouri Pacific consolidations also always on the property.

Before departing Laskey, both brakeman had walked the length of the long train, checking all the couplers and the air hose connections, while the hogger (engineer) pumped up the air brakes to service pressure.  Long ago in the past, when the line was first built, a train had actually accidentally parted while going upgrade.  On that day of all days, the air had not been properly checked. The last four cars and the crew in the caboose enjoyed a wild unrestrained ride all the way back down to Laskey, where they were finally able to set the hand brakes and stop.

With the air brake pressure up and all inspections completed, the hogger sees the highball sign from the conductor way back at the caboose at the depot. He sounds two shorts on the ATSF six chime whistle (F3), opens the cylinder cocks (F4) eases the throttle open with the Johnson bar (F5) in full forward position, and begins to creep forward. He closes the cylinder cocks after a few seconds (F4 again), and runs the train a little past the depot, to where underbrush begins to reclaim the right of way. Here he blows down the boiler (F10) good and hard to clean it out and ensure maximum steaming capacity where it will be needed on this demanding uphill trip ahead. After about 15 seconds, he closes the blowdown  (F10 again.)

Luckily, there's been no rain overnight along this part of the line, and the hogger finds that no sanding is required to avoid driver slippage.  The fireman is working very hard to keep the fire up, and accordingly the steam pressure, which he keeps just below safety valve release pressure.

The 1632 is a coal burner, which means that when heavily worked on a grade like this one, lots of cinders are coming out of the stack, as well as relatively heavy smoke caused by the intense draft that results from the heavy steam exhaust from the cylinders going up the stack.  Fortunately, the wind is blowing the trailing smoke off to one side, so the cinders and coal dust are not settling on the caboose and the passengers riding inside. 

Oil burning steam engines occasionally run on the Midland Western, and this grade is a favorite place for the fireman to sand the flues to clean the flues, the heavy exhaust causing a stiff fire draft that pulls a shovelful of sand right through the flues to scour out thick oily residue that comes out in thick greasy black smoke.  When the crew in the back sees this happening, they rush to close all the windows in the car to keep from being coated with this oily mist.  Fortunately, this is not the case today.

Finally, the engine crew can look ahead and see the water tank at the top of the grade where they will definitely need to take on water that's been largely used up steaming up the grade. The problem here is that with the tank being right at the summit, they have to stop at the tank while the train is still mostly on the grade, so, starting after taking on water will prove difficult to get the train past the summit.