I just did not want to mention names on the Bachmann site.

Technically Bachmann is not out of 1:20.3 but I think we pretty much know it is likely not coming back.

Yes HLW is suspended but pretty much that do not look for new production anytime soon.

MTH has a chance of reorganizing but I would suspect the LS offerings will not be there.  Tinplate repros gone as well and they will concentrate most likely on O scale.

Let us face it, there are not as many people doing model trains.  That combined now with economy people start looking elsewhere to spend if theybhave it.

From what I see being offered, and some of the most activity in LS seems to now be live steam.

That being said as older Bachmann 1:20.3 disappears what does show up is commanding some good prices.
Virtually the last four K-27s all used have gone for around a thousand US dollars.

Collectors, parts engines or something else?

Certainly ebay is not end all, but there are just very few rr swap meets anywhere.

Considering at least two LS makers just gave up. This is where things are at.

TenP.  TenWheeler PnP?

Again, basically Kader is out of the 1:20.3 scale.  Doubt it is ever coming back.

Improvise, substitute, try to find junkers to strip.

Quote from: Joe Zullo on May 20, 2020, 07:17:02 AM
All this stuff is made in CHINA! You are aware of what is going on with trade between USA and China right? 

Not sure whst your point is in regard to Bachmann's lack of 1:20.3.  The plug was pretty much pulled with tje death of Mr. Riley and far before the current trade war and tariffs. 

Market forces more than anything else.  LS especially 1:20.3 has declined.  The later is a niche of a niche market and as older modlerers have gone out of the hobby a lot stuff has hit the secondary. Locomotives such as the K do not as much because they become mantel pieces. 

Another certain manufacturer importer of 1:20.3 plenty of plastic cars ciculating in the secondary market.  Some of the older brass stuff not so much.  Try to find a mason bogie for example.

The spectrum line was well done with some issues which every manufacturer has.  However when they made a model with suggested MSRP of a $1000, and several years later a wholesaler is trying to unload them at $200 it tells you the market is not there.

Most of the Bachmann spectrum stuff has disappeared.  Most of the C-19s are gone and is out there now much closer to msrp.  The mallet if good is up there and K-27s fetch around us $1000.

Some of tank cars stiil very reasonable, but boxes, gons only pop up now and then.  The long caboose seems to have gone K-27 way.  Easily close to MSRP used.

Think everyone pretty much suspects thst the 1:20.3 line is defunct, kaput, gone from Bachmann.

A certain other msnufacturer well importer of 1:20.3 is going to make a few more of the cleared out models but indicated maybe last runs.

LS just is not as robust as it once was.

PNPTennie

As indicated, always tracking with return recript.  I had to send an Fn3 live  steamer for repair, trust me that baby was tracked, return receipted and insured and professionally packed. 

Medical school is keeping me busy right now.  So not much time for trains, but now weather warming I am digging out a couple of live steamers and getting them prepped.  Just a simple elevated loop but watching the mason bogie chug along with steam puffing out is kind of nice. 

Nice,.  I get just about the same from the live sream k-27.  Kinda neat with the drain cocks open to watch the steam alternate.

And I suspect it will stay that way.  Mr. Riley was the big champion of 1:20.3.  In a way you can not fault Bachmann.  Everyone wanted this or that but waited until basically Trainworld or similar blew them out at very low prices.  Guessing not too much return for example on a Climax at MSRP 1299 and blow out of 200.

Guessing maybe 2020?  Any news, pics, mockips?

Probably if and when the updated 4-6-0 gets announced.

Thanks

I will add tomthat as well.