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1  Discussion Boards / HO / Re: Southern Pacific 2-6-0 M6 on: September 13, 2008, 11:22:01 AM

Baldwin built 23 class M-6-locomotives for the SP (#1780 - #1802) in 1902 and 1903 as Vauclain Compounds.
They were rebuilt and simpled by SP before WW1.

I can┤t remember seeing a model of a Vauclain Compound, and the only difference to a rebuilt locomotive is the cylinders?

Some M-6 locomotives were leased to SPdeM (Sud Pacifico de Mexico/Southern Pacific of Mexico). The SPdeM was sold to Mexico and name changed to Ferrocarril del Pacifico (FCP).

When did you last see a model of a Mexican steam locomotive?

Lots of variations can be made, with coal tender, oil tender, Vanderbilt tender or maybe even a Whaleback tender.

The SP M-9, M-10 and M-11 were Harriman engines...........

Regards, Yukonsam
2  Discussion Boards / HO / Re: Athearn Mountain on: March 03, 2008, 11:22:36 AM

"The MT-4 was unique to the SP. It was an all-around passenger locomotive that also did fast freight and secondary runs.

Most were built in the SP shops at Sacramento. After the war all received skyline casings".

All 21 MT-4 locomotives were built in Sacramento, as well as 18 locomotives of class MT-3 and 10 class MT-5. They were almost identical, except for the location of air pumps, bells and a few other detals.

MT-1 (28 locomotives) were built by Schenectady, and differed from the MT-3, MT-4 and MT-5 mostly in cab-details and tenders.

Class MT-2 were built by Brooks for the El Paso and Southwestern at about the same time SP took over the EP&SW, but that is another history.

All this according to "A Century of SP Steam Locomotives" by Guy L. Dunscomb.

Regards, Yukonsam

3  Discussion Boards / HO / Re: Old 80's sets coupler replacement. on: February 25, 2008, 02:14:48 PM

Living in Sweden? In Stockholm you have Scandinavia┬┤s largest Model Railroad Store.
Very friendly staff that will help you.

And they sell Bachmann products too (and Kadee couplers).

Regards, Yukonsam
4  Discussion Boards / HO / Re: Cab forward on: January 31, 2008, 05:55:42 PM

The first Cab Forward was built by  North Pacific Coast RR, a narrow gauge road north of San Fransisco,  in 1901.
The Master Mechanic of NPC, one Bill Thomas, was pretty inventive and full of ideas.
He took the frame and running gear from a junked 4-4-0 and built a new locomotive, numbered 21 and named it Thomas Stetson, but most people knew it as "The Freak". It was taken out of service after only a few years, as it was a bad puller.
Source : "Narrow Gauge to the Redwoods" by Dickinson, Graves and Wurm, Trans Anglo Books, fourth printing 1981.

The NPC were later merged into Northwestern Pacific, which came under the SP umbrella.

The Italian State Railways (FS) have been reported to have had a few 0-6-4 Cab Forwards, were the coal was carried in bunkers alongside the boiler, and the tender only carried water. 

Regards, Yukonsam
5  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: Fish cars on: January 28, 2008, 06:43:48 PM

Read something about such cars many years ago in either Model Railroader or Railroad Model Craftsman.
Think they were rebuilt Baggage cars with tanks made of glass just like the milk cars.

If my memory is right.

Regards, Yukonsam
6  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: Name That Locomotive Game on: January 26, 2008, 04:43:45 PM


Due to shortage of coal during WW II, two class E3/3 switchers were equipped with heating elements in the firebox and pantographs on the roof.

With enough steam built up, they could also do switching anywhere.

A model of a E3/3, (nickname "Tigerli") was once made by Liliput of Austria.

Regards, Yukonsam

7  Discussion Boards / HO / Re: Harriman Steamers on: January 13, 2008, 09:13:00 AM

During the Harriman administration several different types of locomotives were built to Common Standard plans for all Harriman roads.

As for SP, they had 2-6-0 class M-9, M-10 and M-11.

Also 4-4-2 Atlantic, 0-6-0 Switcher, 4-6-0 Ten-wheeler, 4-6-2 Pacific, 2-8-0 Consolidation, 2-8-2 Mikado and 2-6-6-2 and 2-8-8-2 Mallets were built to Common Standard plans.

Regards, Yukonsam

8  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: Good Grammar (gud grammer) for users on: January 10, 2008, 03:21:56 PM

Didn┬┤t Churchill during the WW2 in a speech to the Congress say something like "We are one people, divided by a common language"?

Regards, Yukonsam
9  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: I need help with a picture I saw.... on: January 10, 2008, 03:09:55 PM

I have one of those Rivarossi models. It is an AC-11 as the number on the cab and lettering tells me.

It is quite beautiful, sitting on a shelf with some PFE reefers and a proper caboose. Perfect as a conversation piece and as a decoration.

Otherwise, the old Rivarossi is useless.

The Cab Forwards were built by Baldwin, the class AC-9 were built by Lima.

Paying hundred or so on E-bay for this model?
That┬┤s robbery.

Regards, Yukonsam


10  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: I need help with a picture I saw.... on: January 07, 2008, 07:21:07 PM

The proper name is Beyer-Garratt

Invented by Herbert William Garratt, and built by Beyer-Peacock and Co. of Manchester, England.

The boiler and cab is hung on a cradle between two engine units, one carrying water, the other carrying coal/oil.
There are no wheels under the cradle.

There have been discussions on other forums if a 4-8-8-4 Beyer-Garratt could be called a Big Boy.
The answer was No! Maybe "Big Boy of Australia", but it is still a Garratt (for short).

To Chesticus

Have you found out something more about your engine qustion?
The 2-8-8-4 is called a Yellowstone.

Regards, Yukonsam
11  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: I need help with a picture I saw.... on: January 06, 2008, 08:15:20 AM

It must have been a pcture of SP class AC-9 you saw.
A conventional 2-8-8-4 built by Lima in 1939.
Built as coal burners for use between El Paso and Tucumcari, converted to oil in 1950 and used between Sparks, Nevada and Alturas and Wendel, California.
All were gone by 1956.

Regards, Yukonsam
12  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: SP identity crisis on: January 06, 2008, 08:08:13 AM

The numbers of SP class DF-101 is of course 5203-5212.

On page 96 in the Walthers 2007 catalog, there are pictures of Stewart models of AS-616 numbered incorrectly as 5205 and 5207.

Regards, Yukonsam
13  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: SP identity crisis on: January 04, 2008, 06:18:23 PM

The book "Southern Pacific Dieselization" by John Bonds Garmany (PFM 1985, ISBN No. 0-915713-12-8) has the following information about #5204 :

Baldwin DRS 6-6-1500 Nos. 5203 - 5312 were delivered in 1949 and classified by SP as DF-101.

Stewart made some Baldwin Diesels, but other members on the forum can tell you about that.

Regards, Yukonsam

14  Discussion Boards / General Discussion / Re: Spectrum w/sound 2-8-0 stalls at Insulfrog on: January 02, 2008, 05:46:12 PM
Hi and Happy New Year

Perhaps this link would help :

Never have had trouble with the Peco Insulfrog turnout.

Regard, Yukonsam
15  Discussion Boards / HO / Re: Locomotive History on: December 29, 2007, 02:37:27 PM

The SP Steam Locomotive Compendium by Diebert and Strapac (Shade tree books) has lots of information.

About 4446 : Built 1941, lost it skirts in 1950 and retired 1958.
                      Scrapped 1959.

The 4460 is a GS-6 and was donatedto the National Museum of Transportation, St. Louis in 1959.

Regards, Yukonsam
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