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46  Discussion Boards / Large / Well, since no one else has asked ... iHobby? on: October 20, 2007, 05:24:47 PM
Anything interesting happen in Chicago?

Matthew (OV)
47  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Kadee's on Bachmann 1:20.3 freight cars on: October 19, 2007, 08:21:11 AM
Dunno, Kevin.

I was getting ready to convert all of my new cars  to AMS or Kadee, when I unboxed the first of the hoppers ... you know, the new ones really are quite nice, and they work well with both Kadee and AMS ... I think I may just keep 'em!

Matthew (OV)
48  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Bachmann tank cars on: October 19, 2007, 08:18:33 AM
Of those, the first one (881x) has a frame, the (884x) are the frameless; both are 1:20.3 SPECTRUM quality cars.  The older 1:22.5 big hauler tank is a 9xxxx number.

Matthew (OV)
49  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Bachmann Forney- Now is the time to strike Bachmann on: October 05, 2007, 07:33:28 PM
While I know the Bach-Man has a special place in the pantheon for the BRB&L, I'd be just as happy with a 3' gauge version of the 30" gauge version of the 24" gauge version locomotives.

Either way ... I'd have to have one.

Matthew (OV)
50  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Trolley Lifespan and Maintenance on: September 27, 2007, 11:04:32 PM
Nothing to contribute beyond the Bach-Man, but your question reminded me of a story we used to tell passengers on our 1:1 open trolley that once ran in Rio ....

When the trolley came back to the US, it made the trip on a coffee barge.  The superstructure was on the deck, and the trucks (being heavier) were put down in the hold, which was then filled with coffee beans.

For years, after the car was reassembled and put back in service, when you made the transition from series to parallel on the controller, the car would fill up with the smell of freshly roasted coffee......

Even the real thing seemed to be able to endure a lot!

Matthew (OV)

Oh, and I'm told, 1850 had a trailer in her Rio days, but it was unpowered.

51  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Sams Club on: September 25, 2007, 05:41:53 AM
It could have been worse.  MUCH worse.

Imagine... the new K-27 arriving just in time for Christmas....

Matthew (OV)
52  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: 1/20.3 K-27 on: September 22, 2007, 02:14:53 AM
Mine will likely be Slate Creek #46 (and #45 if the post wreck version turns up.)  The Slate Creek, while set in a relatively ambiguous location, has a sea pier, and is therefore about as far from Colorado as one can be, continentally speaking.  Its duties, hauling ore and tourists, will be similar.

Matthew (OV)
53  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Smoke unit and max width of new K-27 on: September 18, 2007, 11:35:14 PM

But then Bachmann will bring out the Sumpter Valley articulateds, and...



RAWRR!  Now you're talking!  Of course, you mean right after the EBT Mikado, don'cha?

I'm just glad the dawn of the large locomotives is nearly here.  I've already got the overwide overlong turntable just for this particular one... and any large cousins that may follow.

(I just hope I get all these hoppers relettered first!)

Matthew (OV)

PS.  While we're talking about it ... were turntables generally built to accomodate the width of the locomotive, or that plus a walkway on one or both sides for use while the locomotive was actually on the table... or was it a "will not clear man on side of car" situation?
54  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: 1/20.3 K-27 on: September 17, 2007, 11:19:59 PM
Ridge Road has apparently seen the light too.  They're down to $799.00!117

Note that it won't work without the !117 at the end.

Matthew (OV)
55  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Prototype K-27 questions on: September 03, 2007, 10:22:51 PM
Thanks Charlie! I knew you'd know.

Now which one to choose......

Matthew (OV)
56  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: True Maximum Grade for Garden Trains (8% possible?) on: September 03, 2007, 01:00:06 PM
Certainly the harder you make something work, the more chance there is something will break.  But .... it all depends on how you approach the problem.  In recent memory, there was a story about someone being told that pulling more than a very low number of cars was dangerous, as it was outside the design spec and would void the warranty .....  the same locomotive has been seen pulling trains of more than ten times the length specified with no visible harmful effects.


Can you pull a train on an 8% grade?  Probably.  It'll look more like a roller coaster ... and you'll be very limited in the number of cars you can pull... but you can do it.  Would you want to do it for hours every day, like on a display layout running continuously?  Probably not.  And, you'd want to make sure you kept up with lubrication, maintenance, and kept track of wear on critical parts, etc. so that when something did start to wear out you could be prepared.  That's not bad advice even for non-extreme railroading.

Operationally speaking, it might make sense depending on the type of train involved.  Cass Scenic does it with the real thing every day of the week, and their grade is somewhere between 10 and 11 percent.  But ... in the real world, most "normal" trains would see 2% as excessive.... I'm told by one of the crews at Cass that their 45 ton diesel, when it was functional, could barely make it up the grade to Whittaker running light.... whether or not the end of that locomotive's operational days was brought about by being made to do this is anyone's guess.

Does that help?

Matthew (OV)
57  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: 1/20.3 K-27 on: September 01, 2007, 04:39:17 PM

You cannot have your Pi and eat it too.

Matthew (OV)
58  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Prototype K-27 questions on: September 01, 2007, 04:29:59 PM
Here's what I found on the DRGW ones:

450-451 Scrapped 1939
452-453 Scrapped 1954
454        Scrapped 1953
455        Went to RGS ... scrapped 1953
456        Scrapped 1952
457        Scrapped1939
458        Went to Mexico ....scrapped 1963
459        Went to Mexico ... scrapped 1957
460        Dismantled 1939
461        Went to RGS ... scrapped 1953
462        Scrapped 1950
463        Still Alive.... Cumbres and Toltec
464        Still Alive..... Huckleberry RR

(source: )

This is why I was interested in whether Baldwin built any (or any close cousins) for anyone else; most of these seem to be accounted for.

Matthew (OV)
59  Discussion Boards / Large / Prototype K-27 questions on: September 01, 2007, 08:37:12 AM
Hopefully just posting this will summon Charlie.....

1.) On the post wreck #455, it says something under the "455" on the cab, and appears to say the same thing on the tender.  Anyone know what it says?

2.)  Is the "post wreck" plow on the 455 a replacement for the pilot, or was it just left on all the time to cover up a damaged pilot?  In other words, if one was to remove the plow in the "off season" would there be a regular road pilot underneath, prototypically speaking?

3.) There are several types of "back up" headlights on the K-27 models ... one high and large, one low and small, and one missing altogether, depending on the locomotive.  Were some of these ever run "tender first" in train service (thereby requiring the larger headlight) as a regular thing?

4.) Most of the K class locomotives were originally, or were made to be, relatively unique to the D&RGW and associated lines (a la RGS.) But, as with the K-28, other lines saw what worked, and ordered similar units, like OR&L's 2-8-2's that were, in essence, K-28's.  While all of the K-27's were D&RGW, is there an example of a similar locomotive (weight, tractive effort, outside frame 2-8-2, etc) bought by another 3' gauge outfit after seeing what the D&RGW had come up with?

Matthew (OV)
60  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: 1/20.3 K-27 on: September 01, 2007, 07:42:43 AM
Materials? Plastic, die cast, pastry dough?

A K-27 made of pastry dough .... would that be a Mud Pie?

Can anyone who was there comment further on the extra parts and bits seen in some of the photos.... particularly with respect to the presence (or not) of different cabs and cylinder covers, other parts, etc? 

Matthew (OV)
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