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61  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: K-27 Question on: November 09, 2007, 10:13:35 PM
The Two Truck Bachmann Heisler on this website says that its scale is 1:20.3

So does that make the Bachmann Heisler G or Fn3?

Steam Freak, now let me ask you a question or two. LGB makes a sweet 0-4-0 Porter, what denomination would you use for it? Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
62  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: K-27 Question on: November 09, 2007, 08:43:47 PM
 G2me Grin, or 15mm to be precise, Zubi
63  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: K-27 Question on: November 08, 2007, 09:00:45 AM
Zubi,
Like I said earlier, this will start controversy (like it did the last time around). Everyone has their own opinion, myself, you, and everyone else on this board. If you want to call everything "G" scale, fine, but I didn't come up with the scale terms. If YOU look in this months issue of Garden Railways mag., you will see an advertisement for folks modeling F & Fn3, and it shows the scale as 1:20 & 1:20.3.
So call yours what you will, to someone who is learning the hobby like Steam Freak, knowledge is a good tool, and the ability to learn the difference in scales and sizes IS a good tool.
When I first got into large scale trains, I got corrected quite quickly that everything running on guage 1 track was NOT "G" scale.
And like yourself, this is my opinion.

Paul, thanks for the note! Sure, this is likely to start controversy - and let me ask again, are these scale wars not fun Grin?? Well, actually not. So I will shut up once more. But I think that even newcomers (and I have no idea if Steam Freak is one or not) could acquire a somewhat broader historical understanding of (narrow) gauge and scale flavours than just be told, "no you are wrong, this is not G, but F". Although, perhaps all he wants to know if the new K thing is approximately four times larger than his HO stuff. I guess you are right and there are plenty of F adverts now in GR, sadly I will not be looking in the new issue. I have just given up subscription after almost 15 years, somehow, perhaps also due to this "correctness" tendency, a lot of joy, creativity and art which went into Large Scale or G Wink at the time I joined it, somehow left us. But never mind, I found it in abundance in Live Steam and in collecting every possible 1:22.5 G-scale I can find. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
64  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: K-27 Question on: November 08, 2007, 03:15:30 AM
Steve, thanks for the note, but let me remind you that LGB's first was a Stainz. Stainz is a sweet 0-4-0 engine several of which were built by Krauss - for the 760mm gauge. Never for a meter gauge! To confuse the enemy, Richter brothers scaled their Stainz using 1:22 length ratio and about 1:20 ratio for height and width. Since then the enemy remains confused and LGB produced all sorts of equipment from scale 1:13 (some feldbahn rolling stock) to about 1:27 (standard gauge rolling stock) to make things even more complicated;-)... Now, it is not the case that LGB did not do some locomotives precisely to 1:22.5 scale. One of the first such products was the LGB Mogul which very nicely fits with 1:22.5. The Mogul is not alone since also the D&RGW #50 and a few Limited Edition locomotives are spot-on 1:22.5. There are also several Swiss and a couple of German 1 meter prototypes which were also done in 1:22.5 but unfortunately not that many. The main manufacturer of 1:22.5 equipment is Magnus, producing both standard gauge and meter gauge prototypes in  this scale and who I admire for their detail, but not for the operational qualities and not for quality to price ratio - these are mantle and showpieces not garden locomotives and rolling stock. Luckily, recently we are getting a new flow of correctly scaled 1:22.5 locomotives and rolling stock from such companies as Kiss and  Brawa and let me also mention Regner, Reppingen and Dingler although their volume is small and prices high.
One ought to remember that in addition to LGB wiggling scales in all directions, some US manufacturers started producing 1:24 scale consistently to create more mess and prove LGB wrong - which turned out to be quite a difficult task as they got almost eliminated from the market (granted this happened to LGB too in the end). In addition some small live steam manufacturers produced 15mm and 16mm locomotives (which respectively translate to 1:20 and 1:19 scale ratios) to run on 45mm gauge in addition to 32mm (sometimes both gauges are possible). All these can be referred to G when the locomotive runs on the 45mm track, but in practice there are so few of them that nobody is much bothered, usually 15mm or 16mm scale is referred to if required.
Fn3 is a neologism proposed to NMRA by a WG headed by Stan Ames back in 1994 and which I entirely reject from the first draft.  This neologism has been chosen by a couple of manufacturers as a marketing tool against LGB's G-scale and since then has been quite successfully established among enthusiasts of 36" gauge. Many newcomers to large scale adopted the new nomenclature but for me all things on 45mm track are G if they are not gauge 1 standard gauge (which can be 1:32 or 1:30 as Aster proves) See it as a political statement if you like Grin. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
65  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: K-27 Question on: November 07, 2007, 10:01:02 PM
Paul, I tend to disagree. Term G is pretty flexible and describes practically anything that runs on 45mm gauge and is not gauge 1 (1:32), so the range of scales which fall under G is anything from about 1:29 to 1:13. This is also the range of scales used by LGB and please remember that the first ever G locomotive is in about 1:20 scale and it is a 30inch prototype. Precise denomination for 1:22.5 is 1:22.5, and if you want to specify that this is a meter gauge prototype you can use NEM denomination IIm. To make a long story short the new K-27 by Bachmann is as  G as everything else to me but it is not 1:22.5 - unfortunately Sad, Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
66  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Plug and play a great concept on: November 02, 2007, 03:49:43 AM
Bill, I see. But he may still get back when he gets bored with the R/C cars. But I agree, the expenses involved in our hobby are bordering with absurd. In Japan, at least in the Tokyo area there are a few clubs where one can run his/her loco and rolling stock. But obviously, some contribution is necessary to the costs of establishing the line and subsequent maintenance. So it may be actually cheaper to have your own line, but then you will not have as much fun as we do during the steamups;-)... Well, I am going to have both, actually. My own line here in the centre of Tokyo as well as continued participation in the steamups. While I am not interested in R/C cars, I like both R/C planes and ships in particular paddle steamers,  planes are a bit tricky to be operated in central Tokyo as you may imagine (or perhaps not if you have never been here) but there is a possibility to play with the R/C ships, I know where the club meetings take place. So next time you come to Tokyo, take your steamer, either the boat or the locomotive;-),  or also electric one, to plug it here and play! Best wishes, Zubi

 
67  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Plug and play a great concept on: November 01, 2007, 12:47:12 PM
Bill, I have two words of advice for your friend: live and steam. I guarantee this will bring the balance back between the hassle and the enjoyment level. Plus, there is some pretty affordable choice around these days. Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
68  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Plug and play a great concept on: October 30, 2007, 10:01:05 PM
Can we plug in live steam too? Zubi
69  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Plug and play a great concept on: October 30, 2007, 06:21:37 AM
Plug and pray, Zubi
70  Discussion Boards / Large / wonderful report on: October 30, 2007, 03:26:46 AM
 Just check the Making the K-27 Video  in the photo gallery! Zubi
71  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: The Ames' "Super Socket": A BAD decision for Bachmann!! on: October 29, 2007, 01:44:26 AM
Dear Curmee,


Do you know who fought that original proposal to a standstill?
No, I do not. I lost my interest in this issue long before it has reached that stage.

In fact, I see no 'standstil', in all practical terms that original proposal is a manufacturer's reference standard now (which also implies that I have to buy one and the same engine type in two scales...) I solved the problem by only acquiring live steamers in non-standard scales;-) - my entire collection of electric locos is 1:22.5. This strategy will probably protect me from having to acquire and pay for super sockets, (feel the) noise making devices etc. - or will they also be incorporated in the rolling stock I pull with my live steamers?

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Do you know who was in charge of that WG?
Of course? Why ask? Please enlighten me if I am missing something (per personal email if advisable) Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
72  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: The Ames' "Super Socket": A BAD decision for Bachmann!! on: October 28, 2007, 11:39:22 PM
This discussion somehow reminds me of what was taking place back in 1994 with the discussion of the 'new' scale standards. Stan and a WG came up with a proposal, which everyone knew was against common sense and would disintegrate the 1:22.5 scale market. And, surprise surprise, it did... Those manufacturers (Bachmann, Accucraft) who quickly adopted the new idea, sending their 'absolete' product line to the museum, survive quite well, others, well not necessarily. Of course I understand that most of the participants here (unlike me) are the advocates of the 1:20.3 philosophy, so the comparison above may not be what you want to hear, but this should remind you of the autocratic ways of the WG and the longlasting influence the new standards will likely have on the future of the Large Scale. Advice from me, switch to live steam;-), no sockets necessary and you can run anything that runs, as long as you manage to make it run;-) in a scale mix of your choice;-))), Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
73  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Bachmann Forney- Now is the time to strike Bachmann on: October 24, 2007, 10:45:44 PM
Ferdmeister, in live steam of course!! Best, Zubi
PS what did you drink before that photo in your profile was taken? Coffee, I presume...
74  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: caboose for k27 on: September 24, 2007, 11:17:17 AM
Actually, it shouldn't be too far behind at all -- just right at the end!

Actually, it might be closer to the K than you think!! Best, Zubi
75  Discussion Boards / Large / Re: Rod Haywards K-27 on: September 11, 2007, 05:11:33 AM
Steve, did I say anywhere that it has to be cheap?? The K-36 is not, neither was the K-28. Most of my 1:22.5 is brass and IS quite nicely scale, even if not finescale, but fine enough  to me. I do not quite get your point about BBT drive, what should I fit it into? Anyway, I am not interested in kitbashing. If I cannot get the K-27, there are still many other pretty fine 1:22.5 engines on my list - think RhB 3/4 Mogul pretty rare by now or the Harz Mallet! I just think that a run of 1:22.5 K-27 is a missed opportunity, even if this run is 1 engine for me;-)... Best wishes from Tokyo, Zubi
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