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J3a-614

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« on: May 03, 2010, 07:50:54 AM »

Came across these links whle looking for other things, and thought they were of interest.

Narrow gauge road in Pennsylvania which later became a subsidiary of the Pennsylvania; it's one surviving locomotive is a 3-foot gauge 2-6-0 built by Alco, and incredibly, it's still fitted with vacuum brakes.  No air compressor sounds on this one:

http://www.narrowtracks.com/wwrr/index.htm

http://www.narrowtracks.com/wwrr/Restoring4.htm

http://www.narrowtracks.com/wwrr/WW4.htm

http://www.narrowtracks.com/wwrr/WW4Photos.htm

Who was building steam locomotives in America in the 1970s?  Crown Metal Products and Sandley Light Railway Equipment Company.  These were engines and cars for amusement park service.  Most were quite small, 15 inch or 24 inch gauge, but Sandley offered 2-foot gauge equipment about the size of the smaller New England locomotives and cars that would have been right at home behind a Forney, while Crown also offered a 3-foot gauge 4-4-0 that was designed by a former employee of the H. K. Porter company (industrial locomotive company, Bachmann offers some models in On30); this engine weighed 25 tons and was rated for 5,000 pounds tractive effort.  There are photographs of at least one of these three-footers being given running tests on the East Broad Top, and at least one other was built or rebuilt as a standard gauge engine!


http://www.trainweb.org/parktrains/history/crown/index.html

http://www.trainweb.org/parktrains/history/crown/bigcrown.html

http://www.trainweb.org/parktrains/gallery/dgcrown.jpg

http://www.trainweb.org/parktrains/gallery/wb4-4-0.jpg

http://www.infinitevillage.com/html/crown/index.html

Enjoy.
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trainguy111

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 08:55:25 AM »

Wonderful ideas! Hope Bachmann can do them.
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Kevin Strong


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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 02:08:43 PM »

Waynesburg & Washington #4 would be a wonderful addition to B'mann's 1:20 line-up. In researching my "thoroughly modern mogul," I borrowed quite heavily from it and similar moguls that ran on may (particularly eastern) narrow gauge lines. Truthfully, all Bachmann really need do is scale the On30 version up (with the appropriate broadening of the gauge).

The argument I've heard (not from anyone in Philly) is that such a mogul would be too similar to LGB's ubiquitous offering. Personally, I think it would be such a degree larger than LGB's offering such that no comparison could be drawn. Whether that'd be enough to get the sales needed, I don't know.

But in the interest of lobbying...



Later,

K
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J3a-614

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 09:01:00 PM »

Found some more material on amusement park steam:

Oh, what it's like when non-railfans in the news cover trains (Crown 36-inch gauge)!

http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/buchers_beat/all-aboard-the-king%27s-island-railway

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-Y6BH1w1_Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcc4YS_cj0M&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBR0OfnpjZY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fteF6IduveA&feature=related

Omaha Zoo (custom 30-inch gauge equipment from Crown):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhO6fs5om_g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQIlevNIhiw&feature=related

Footage on the Riverside & Great Northern (Sandley demonstration railroad):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkifQY55JxE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvoMF6VBh3A&feature=related

Back when Milwaukee had a zoo railroad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiI0uU_Pf44&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KLoILuM0x0&feature=related

Don't expect Bachmann or anybody else to make anything like this, in any scale, but could it still be an inspiration for a model road based on an amusement park?  Alternately, has anyone built such a model railroad?
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on30gn15


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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 10:11:06 PM »

If last year when I had money to buy such things Bachmann had a large-scale version of On30 Modern Outside Frame 4-4-0 American Road Name: Painted, Unlettered - Russia Iron with Red Windows & Silver Trim I would have bought that baby as fast as the check could be written.

Oh well, such is no longer to be, it would seem.

Here's a photo of similar prototype. Meter gauge?
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=45885
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J3a-614

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 10:47:21 PM »

"I am a man of constant sorrow,
   My wife spends all my pay. . ."

Seriously, I've had some reverses myself.  Reminds you that the much worse Depression, while it may have had better looking trains, was not something you would want to live through. . .

Was looking at this and other photos on the same road, and I don't think it's meter gauge; it looks more like 30 inch or 36 inch to me.  But darn it, I can't find anything easily to tell me just what it is!

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=45880&nseq=2

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=45881&nseq=0

Persistence pays off!  The road is 30-inch gauge.  This could well be Bachmann's prototype.

http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/brazil45.htm

http://www.bing.com/search?q=efom+railway+brazil&FORM=HPNTDF&pc=HPNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox

Enjoy.
 
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on30gn15


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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 05:12:01 PM »

Pretty Cool J3a-614, Thanks  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 02:48:22 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-bcQF9bh-4

they had 2-10-4's you know and that would be a hell of an awesome narrow gauge engine to have Grin
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J3a-614

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 06:47:37 AM »

Cool power, by Alco (2-10-4s) and Baldwin (2-6-6-2s); the overall feel of the railroad reminds me of the Chicago & Illinois Midland.

The narrator is David Corbitt, a CSX man who also owns the Potomac Eagle tourist train that runs on the South Branch Valley Railroad in West Virginia.

http://www.potomaceagle.info/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potomac_Eagle_Scenic_Railroad

Thanks for the movies!
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« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2010, 07:32:40 AM »

Hmmn, years ago I suggested the Waynie No 4 to Bachmann and IIRC the LGB Mogul was cited as why not.  I agree that a 1:20 mogul would be somewhat bigger than the LGB offering at whatever scales they made it in.  I also still say that if capital is a problem Bachmann should study photos of updated 'Oldies' like their Centennial 2-6-0 and 4-4-0 and do updated model versions - this using existing tooling for a large part of them.  They could be provided with choices of domes/stacks etc and be turned out as 'modern wood cab or steel cab as the basic  models with clip on oil bunkers for the tender (tho most would be coal burners with probably extended smokeboxes to take the spark arrestors.

Just a thought.  IF adopted I'd like one of each as my fee Grin

Sam E.
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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2010, 02:24:10 PM »

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... Bachmann should study photos of updated 'Oldies' like their Centennial 2-6-0 and 4-4-0 and do updated model versions
Hear hear! They're re-introducing the indy and climax with new mechanisms. They can easily update the fixtures on the Centennial 2-6-0/4-4-0. There's plenty of chatter from folks looking for more modern-looking versions of those locos.

Later,

K
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