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Doneldon

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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2010, 12:23:06 AM »

I"m just guessing, but it may be possible to use Kadee Talgo trucks to replace your trucks and couplers.

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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2010, 08:57:50 AM »

i wish it would be that east....but the trucks are rivited in. not screwed or the plastic thing. and by glue the couplers in i ment glue on coupler boxes onto the undercarrige. I've done it before but with the Con-Cor/Rivarossi coaches.
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2010, 09:07:48 AM »

heres one of the coaches i body mounted the couplers on...



PS the decals were made by me and the coaches were painted by me  Grin
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Doneldon

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« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2010, 12:38:24 AM »

B&O-

Those look like perfectly servicable couplers, and a handsome model to boot.

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Johnson Bar Jeff

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« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2010, 02:27:28 PM »

heres one of the coaches i body mounted the couplers on...



PS the decals were made by me and the coaches were painted by me  Grin

Tell you what, I think those Con-Cor/Rivarossi coaches are close enough for government work to that coach in the B&O Museum.
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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2010, 04:01:46 PM »

you talking about the two that got smashed? the baggage car appears to be fixable, coach 1 is destroyed, coach 2 is warped(was in the pass car shops when the roof collapsed on the roundhouse).
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J3a-614

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2010, 09:05:51 PM »

Sounds like that's what he means.

Any chance we can see a photo of the funeral car?  Any chance we can see what the span bolster and drawbar arrangement look like?
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J3a-614

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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2010, 10:06:44 PM »

Found some other material on this car, including shots of a large-scale model under construction.

http://lincolnfuneraltrain.com/

http://canteenbooks.com/Building_Lincoln's_Funeral_Car.htm

http://canteenbooks.com/Building_Lincoln's_Funeral_Car-pg2.htm

http://canteenbooks.com/index.htm

http://canteenbooks.com/site_map.htm

Enjoy.

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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2010, 03:04:22 PM »

Heres some pics








Besides the missing stacks, thats the only really noticable damage to the car.


Underbody and truck mounting...note the rivets....



Rivet on the coupler arm. due to past experiance with a drill, i'll probably just cut the coupler off from the box up and body mount a coupler box. For those that don't know while working on another hobby of mine(painting custom monster trucks in 1:64 scale) i was trying to clear out the rivet hole on a chassis as part of a rivet got suck in the hole and as soon as i turned the drill on the dislodge the piece the drill slipped and drilled a 1/4 by 1/4 deep hole in my hand, seperating a nerve and doing other damage. I lost feeling in half of my middle finger.

PS you can see the coaches for my dogs funeral train in the background


OOPS! I just realied i posted the same pic.....
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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2010, 10:27:00 PM »

fixed the pics, donno how i managed to post the same pic 6 times......
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2010, 10:47:56 PM »

Here is a photo of a funeral car I an working on. I just made a simple span bolster for the trucks. Remove the present car bolster and insert a purchased span bolster. The trucks are arch bar and not prototypical for the era. Bitter Creek sells truck and car parts are more prototypical.



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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2010, 11:26:33 PM »

Well, B&ORRFan, that arrangement is partially what I thought it would be, and partially weird.

The part I expected was that the car would use span bolsters, and it does.  The part that's weird is the coupling arrangement at the outer ends of the span bolsters, with a drawhead that drops very low and what looks like a custom-manufactured offset shank horn hook coupler!  Having those trucks riveted in is unusual, too; how are you supposed to work on something like this when the parts are assembled permanently with rivets of this size, and in steel?  What were the designers at Pocher thinking?

It's after 11:00 PM here, and my mind is tired from other things.  I'll try to get back later and see what's available for replacement gear.  At least it looks like the span bolsters are screwed into the car body, and rivets weren't used there!
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« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2010, 11:57:59 PM »

This guy might have suitable parts. He has body bolsters and a span bolster.
Also maybe proper trucks.
The downside, lead castings.
You can make your own span bolsters out of 1/16 inch thick brass, aluminum or copper clad PC board.
I use the PC board because I had it on hand.
Couplers are Kadee old time 711 couplers which or more to scale than horn hook or Kadee #5.
All my old time cars, the 711 couplers are attached with a small dab Walther's Goo on the coupler and body. Wait about a minute and press into place.

http://www.bittercreekmodels.com/DETAIL_PARTS.html

http://www.bittercreekmodels.com/TRUCKS.html

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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2010, 12:05:43 AM »

I forgot to menchon that i have body mounted the couplers in a kadee 242 coupler box with an ezmate coupler in it. just a tad higher then the con-cor coupler height , probably 1/4 of the coupler is above the other.
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Flashwave

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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2010, 01:46:19 AM »

On people wanting to bash the Funeral Car:

If you not a stickler for detail, start with a Roundhouse/MDC Overland coach in CP or some kind of Tuscan type color. Remove the roof, and build a new one. The Funeral car had a wedding cake clerastory, so all you have to do is throw a piece of styrene on top, drop a second thicker piece on top, and then another of the first one, and you have a new roof.

Remove the underbody detail, and then take a second set of Roundhouse trucks, and with a piece o styrene leftover from the roof, build a tounge that is plastic bonded to the inside truck, and either
    1) tot he second truck, with a center crew into the floor
    2) g the easy route, and allow the inside truck to simply swivel around the plastic molded top disk of the regualr roundhose truck. You might need a strike plat on the bottom of the coach for this though, but it's much easier than trying to do a whole new hole setup.

String bunting along the top and bottom of the windows. I spraypainted tissue, but the black pantyhose will do too. WHen you mount it, I reccomend plastic weld or supergling to a strip of stryrene, small enough to not show, but provde some rigidity. It also covers the pre-applied road name quite nicel,y without having to strip the whole car down.

Lastly, place the presidential eagle, or a representation thereof, over the car number with cardstock.

The finished model will look something liek this:
 The whole car ends up about 3 windows too long. I dun care that much, I alwyas favored effect. You can kinda see the swing arm poking out in the second pic.

Personally, yes I think 68 is a bit much for that car. But then, I don't have one. And actually, the one pictured went to a friend as a gift.
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