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Author Topic: ALCo Modern 2-6-0, Canadian National road #s – a suggestion for Mr B  (Read 914 times)
Searsport

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« on: January 29, 2018, 10:40:49 AM »

The Canadian National operated large numbers of 2-6-0 Moguls. Bachmann has released their model for the CN using road #s 409 (Sound Value) and 6011 + 6013 (DC, DCC Ready). As usual I saw a sale item and so looked them up, and was surprised to find that whilst #409 was indeed a mogul, the CNR used the # range 6000 – 6079 for 4-8-2 mountains. I am a bit surprised that the Bachmann research department did not spot this, as the info is readily available on Locobase. The model is of value not least because the CNR still had 2-6-0s operating into the late 1950s.

I wonder if I might suggest that when Bachmann re-issues the model with new #s it uses some more appropriate. Whilst there is no exact match for the GB&W prototype, the preserved loco on the Strasburg Railway is not unlike the model, i.e. the whistle, domes, bell, and headlamp are all in the right places and the boiler taper and chimney look right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SRC_89_19930000_PA_Strasburg.jpg (though photos suggest that a lot of CNR moguls had their headlamp on the smokebox door in the 1940s and 50s). If I understand the data, this was a 24 strong class built in 1910 as E-10-a for the Grand Trunk Pacific as their #1000-1024, then super-heated in 1913 and re-designated E-12 and re-numbered 902-926, which #s they retained until the early 1950s, when some survivors at least were re-numbered into the 80s and 90s, e.g. #919 became #92 in 1952. http://www.steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-6-0/Canada/photos/cnr81.jpg, http://www.steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-6-0/Canada/photos/cnr86-5.jpg,

Next there is the similar CN class E #937, later #96, not sold by the CN until June 1959 and now at the Ohio Central Railroad awaiting restoration http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=168166.

Another large class, E-7, comprised 204 locomotives built 1898–1908 by various builders, the last of which, #713, was operating on the CNR Lewiston, Maine branch until 1957, and was then preserved at the Thunder Bay Museum, Fort William, Ontario – there is a 1957 photo on their website which shows a loco similar to the model except for the position of the headlamp https://www.thunderbaymuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/16c1.jpg. Class E-7 has managed to get its own page on Wiki, where all the #s can be found. CNR #s range from 661-864. Whilst no doubt the design evolved over time, they should all be closer to the Bachmann model than a 4-8-2.

In a spirit of helpfulness,
Best Regards,
Bill.
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Trainman203

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2018, 11:37:13 AM »

A smokebox centered headlight option, like the Richmond 4-4-0 had, would be an easy thing to offer and let that 2-6-0 resemble several additional prototypes.

I miss the inclusion of spare different pilots.  A footboard/wedgie pilot like the 63” driver 4-6-0 had would look great on this engine. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 01:21:27 PM »

I agree with that sentiment, but I looked at the parts diagram and it seems to show that the smokebox door is part of the boiler casting, so an alternate door with headlamp might not be an easy manufacturing option. If it were I would suggest that that change plus issuing the model with the Richmond tender with oil bunker fitted would bring the SP / T&NO into play, as they liked moguls, and no doubt other RRs. The Santa Fe also liked oil burners.

Bill.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2018, 01:47:14 PM »

I’ve already thought about the 2-6-0 with a Richmond tender with oil bunker to make a T&NO engine. Most of them, in the 400 series if I recall, had inside  valve gear, a much larger old-fashioned high mounted sunbeam headlight, and a footboard/ wedgie pilot.  I’ve already tried a Bachmann Vanderbilt tender behind a mogul but the cab roof is too low and hits the tender.

I’ve though about buying spare boilers for the mogul, the 4-4-0, and the 4-6-0, for a couple of reasons. To gather a collection of detail parts, and to see exactly how those engines are put together. I’m
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2018, 11:26:42 PM »

The 2-6-0 is not based on a Canadian National steam loco.

I have two of them.   First one I sent back as the valve gear fell apart.

Same thing just happened again, yesterday.

To bad, they are a nice model for a branch line, which is what mine are for.

2-6-0 on branch passenger, the 2-10-0 for branch freight.

Roger T.

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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 09:13:47 PM »

If bachmann did retool the 2-6-0, I'd definitely suggest making the headlight a bit bigger, it just looks disproportionately small.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 12:09:15 AM »

I agree about the headlight.  On the N scale model it looks right.
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