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TerencetheTractor525


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« on: October 17, 2020, 07:51:00 PM »

With the release of the Bachmann Narrow Gauge Peter Sam model postponed to 2021, I thought it would be appropriate to make a new thread on Peter Sam. Hopefully, this thread will provide some interesting suggestions for Bachmann to consider (just as other threads have such as the Daisy Thread: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,35957.0.html, Troublesome Truck #6 Thread: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,35970.0.html, and Narrow Gauge Brake Vans Thread: https://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/topic,36574.0.html.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/d/d2/SamsonatYourService91.png/revision/latest?cb=20180713172627

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/7/7f/ABadDayForSirHandel24.png/revision/latest?cb=20170530173032

In terms of overall design, I have zero doubt that Bachmann will base Peter Sam on the CGI render, especially when it comes to the face and rivet detailing. However, one thing that I have recently noticed is that the CGI Peter Sam consists of doors that cover the low window at the rear, which is a square shape, whereas all the Peter Sam props that were utilized throughout the model series consist of a low window that is exposed, without the doors, and in the shape of a circle.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/14581588@N05/15449545996/

https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=127958

It is also interesting to note that both rear styles have been seen within the real life basis of Peter Sam. As a result, it will be interesting to see which path Bachmann will take, as this is something that only avid fans will notice.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/e/ec/Trucks31.png/revision/latest?cb=20170531185051

Personally, I like the look of the exposed low window at the rear because none of the other narrow gauge engines had it throughout the model series. I like the circular shape of it too. In fact, as a young child, I saw that window was a defining mark of Peter Sam because of how unique it looks.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ttte/images/b/b9/PeterSamandtheRefreshmentLady33.png/revision/latest?cb=20190717220933

I would love to read everyone elseís thoughts as well. What rear style would you prefer? Please feel free to also bring up other factors regarding Peter Sam.
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Chaz


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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2020, 12:46:21 AM »

Iím honestly a little surprised no one made a thread for the Bachmann Peter Sam until now, especially since the hype for him is on the same level as Daisy.

I think it goes without saying, but if Rusty is anything to go off of Peter Sam will likely be based on his CG render including his basisí proportions.  Unlike Rusty, I donít think this would be a bad thing for Peter Sam as I feel he has one of the best renders in the CGI series.

I think the rear style will most likely be CGI based too but I donít see that as being a dealbreaker for most people.  I could see Peter Sam easily being another top seller for Bachmann.
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Toad139


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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2020, 01:13:13 PM »

I definitely agree with Chaz, Iím surprised Peter Sam hasnít been talked about more. Iím personally more excited for him than Daisy.

I would prefer the model series rear window, but I canít really see that happening. Either way, a small detail like isnít gonna make or break the model for me. I usually donít like models based on their CG appearance, but the NG engines have great CG models, so they have never bothered me.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2020, 01:50:43 PM »

Iím honestly a little surprised no one made a thread for the Bachmann Peter Sam until now, especially since the hype for him is on the same level as Daisy.

I think it goes without saying, but if Rusty is anything to go off of Peter Sam will likely be based on his CG render including his basisí proportions.  Unlike Rusty, I donít think this would be a bad thing for Peter Sam as I feel he has one of the best renders in the CGI series.

I think the rear style will most likely be CGI based too but I donít see that as being a dealbreaker for most people.  I could see Peter Sam easily being another top seller for Bachmann.
Aye, I've said it hundreds of times but Rusty's model being inaccurate to Midlander and instead being a hodge-podge of Midlander's dimensions with the CGI model's proportions was due to a number of reasons. Peter Sam will almost certainly follow the principle of Skarloey and Rheneas, being 90% accurate to the prototype with a few things that aren't detrimental being off and being replaceable. The only major thing I see happening that won't be accurate and is unavoidable is the solid wall under his tanks. Cause A) CGI model has it, and the previous models, and B) much for the same reason as the S4 model and LS model had it, to hide the motor and mechanism. Now how bad this wall will be and how much of a pain in the ass it'll be for conversions to ET/Corris 4 and RWS Peter Sam of course remains to be seen but It'll probably be a major one going off the CGI model. But really the only other major detail I expect to be missing is the valve gear and eccentrics, given the CGI Model doesn't even have it, so hoping NP come through with an etched kit after the model is released. But yeah, sum up, expect a mix of CGI and Edward Thomas in current condition.
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DucktheGWREngine08


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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2020, 01:26:51 AM »

The issue is that they'll also use the geisel ejector funnel, which ET hasn't had on itself in years.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2020, 01:13:35 PM »

Well only for rebuilding it into Edward Thomas, Peter Sam kept his Geisel after all
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DucktheGWREngine08


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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2021, 09:04:11 AM »

Supposedly Peter Sam is supposed to be released at the end of the year, hoping that's true.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2021, 09:40:41 PM »

I really hope Peter Sam comes out within the next year, as his chassis would be really useful for making Proteus. I can use Bachmann Skarloey's, but it'd be a bit annoying to fix the whole cylinder shape issue.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2021, 10:08:45 PM »

I believe Peter Sam well be released next year, probably around December. Since the Bachmann spokesman in the video was hesitant about the release or concept of the locomotive.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2021, 09:46:01 PM »

Hopefully soon we'll be able to see a prototype for Peter Sam. As far as aesthetics go, the only thing I'm really hoping for is that Peter Sam's front bufferbeam is more accurate to Edward Thomas, and not the CGI model, so that his buffers will be at the correct height. As far as operation goes, I hope that his rear wheel will either pivot or move from side to side, so that he doesn't have the same design quirk as Skarloey where the middle wheel moved to either side. My Skarloey suffered in the pulling power department because of it.
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Chaz


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« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2021, 11:57:47 AM »







A much better look of the engineering sample!  Loving the progress so far Bachmann, canít wait to see further updates!
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« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2021, 06:37:57 PM »

Well it's about what i expected for a "worse case" scneario, with a pretty much near accurate chassis to Edaward Thomas but the body as a whole may need to be replaced.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2021, 09:31:30 PM »

After over two years, we FINALLY have an unpainted prototype of Peter Sam. Within a few months, we should see him fully painted.
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DucktheGWREngine08


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« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2021, 09:28:09 AM »

Well it's about what i expected for a "worse case" scneario, with a pretty much near accurate chassis to Edaward Thomas but the body as a whole may need to be replaced.

Plus the valve gear, a surprise to no one, is a half baked version of Edward Thomas' Hackworth valve gear.
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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2021, 05:54:00 PM »

Well it's about what i expected for a "worse case" scneario, with a pretty much near accurate chassis to Edaward Thomas but the body as a whole may need to be replaced.

Plus the valve gear, a surprise to no one, is a half baked version of Edward Thomas' Hackworth valve gear.
I mean yeah, but who actually expected full hacksworth? And besides, it's an improvement over the CGI model's motion, the Bachmann's actually matches ET
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