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Started by adari, February 23, 2008, 05:38:07 PM

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adari

February 23, 2008, 05:38:07 PM
What engine did the broadway limited use in the steam era? What kind of cars did it pull? What type? Can you guys put the cars in order for me?
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Adari

SteamGene

#1
February 23, 2008, 06:06:54 PM
Where?  When?  In the steam era a locomotive change might well change to a different type of locomotive depending on grades, curves, speed needs, etc.  The Broadway Limited would have had, for most of its life, a GG-1 in the electric district and probably a PRR K4.  I'm not sure if the PRR used their M1s for passenger service or not.  If they did, they probably were used over the Alleghenys (sp)  :D
The standard order of a steam passenger train was:
head end cars:  reefers, express box, Mail, REA, combine
coaches
diner (as needed or per railroad procedure).  As a rule the kitchen ran forward
Pullman/sleepers
Observation

There might be a dorm car between head end cars and the coaches, or the combine might be the dorm car. 
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Conrail Quality

#2
February 23, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Gene,

The Pennsy usually used their M1's for freight service. After all, with the electrification project, the Pennsy had a surplus of steam, including many purely-passenger K4's.  The M1's did fill in for K4's from time-to-time, but this was pretty unusual.

Timothy
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SteamGene

#3
February 23, 2008, 09:05:30 PM
Timothy, that's what I thought.  C&O used Mountains for passenger service almost exclusively (heck, they designed them for passenger service over the mountains!) and PRR did the opposite. (Why am I not surprised.)  Many railroads did use them for dual service. 
Gene
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TonyD

#4
February 23, 2008, 09:59:38 PM
I would suppose the K-4's were the usual suspect, tons of sleepers compare to day coaches, if any on the broadway right? As far as order of cars, like Gene said, head end had an order too, but I don't know about Pennsy, but usually if there was any express reefers that run, with fish, lobsters etc,(on the Broadway?) then postal cars, then parcels, passenger baggage next, maybe a crew or smoker combine. Like I said, I'm not a Pennsy expert, but- I believe NO Postal /RPO cars ever butted up to passenger cars unless there was no passageway door on it, this was after Jesse James & before paypal....... I heard some roads had a barbershop or showers in a combine....a straight razor shave sir???
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RAM

#5
February 23, 2008, 11:54:22 PM
How about  the T1s

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#6
February 24, 2008, 02:24:30 PM
Quote from: RAM on February 23, 2008, 11:54:22 PM
How about  the T1s

They were used on the high-profile trains in their first few months, but as their unreliability became obvious, they were bumped down to lower jobs, even freight assignments in their twilight hours. I'm not sure exactly when the were withdrawn from service, but I believe it was around 1950-51. They certainly didn't last as long as the K4's, which soldiered on into 1956.

Timothy
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Beatle (TrainBrain)

#7
February 24, 2008, 02:58:10 PM
K4s & T1. There is the streamlined K4s, too, but everyone you find is in brass. Great for all you brass collectors! Nice model, though:

http://www.oldlocos.com/trains/steam/streamlined/prr/prrbw-78/prrbw-78.html

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adari

#8
February 25, 2008, 07:51:15 PM
Can anyone tell me if any of these locos would have pulled the broadway limited, http://www.oldlocos.com/trains/steam/streamlined/prr/prr.html .


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#9
February 25, 2008, 08:01:03 PM
The K4's did, The T-1 may have. the articulateds AFAIK were more of tests...
Alex

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#10
February 25, 2008, 08:07:35 PM
The Q1 and S1 probably pulled it once as a publicity stunt, but they were so problematic I doubt they did so more than a few times.

Timothy
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SteamGene

#11
February 25, 2008, 08:12:33 PM
Other than the K4, these are end of steam, few examples, mostly experimental.  These are brass models and probably mega-expensive.
Gene
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adari

#12
February 26, 2008, 07:05:26 AM
What about the broadway?

Tom McDonald

#13
February 26, 2008, 09:16:28 AM

Adari,

Attached is a link to an actual Pennsy consist table for circa 1939
If you go to page 6, it gives you the cars that were used to make up the 'Broadway Limited' at that time.  There is a key in the front if the document to decipher the abbreviations of the cars that were used.
As far as power,  A K4s (4-6-2 Pacific) would be the usual
locomotive pulling from Chicago to the Manhatten Transfer in New Jersey. An electricified locomotive (either a DD-1 or GG-1) would
be put on the head end to bring the train into Penn Station.  It's possible that a GG-1 could be put on in Harrisburg and run under the caternary into Penn Station
Putting a K-4s or a GG-1 (probably double headed)
would be prototypically correct.  The T-1 duplexes were used mainly west of Altoona so I don't think you would see one on the 'Broadway Limited' as standard motive power.
Hope this helps.

Tom

http://kc.pennsyrr.com/passops/downloads/3909_consists_west.pdf
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