Quote from: Awesometrain77 on November 27, 2023, 05:22:23 PM12 tons vans are cool I plan on buying a few such as the mr.jolly chocolate vans , or the funfair ones that are announced , maybe one or two blue ones for the flying kipper. These are really cool and underrated .

I'm excited for the chocolate and Brendam Bay Shipping Company vans as well, however, those are actually based on the existing vent van tooling, not the new 12 ton wagon tooling. I don't think many people even realized the 12 ton vans are going to be completely different models. I edited the post to hopefully make this a bit more clear.

I know that the new announcements came out quite a while ago at this point, but I have been wanting to give my thoughts on the HO scale 12 Ton vans, especially because I feel they were a bit overshadowed by some of the other products Bachmann announced. Understandably, most people were more excited by new characters over some basic rolling stock, but as someone who is really interested in the different types of rolling stock seen throughout the show, these wagons being made in HO is a dream come true.

This was the part where I was going to go into great detail about the history of these wagons on the show, but I realized that unless you are obsessed with minor rolling stock details like me, it probably wasn't very engaging. So instead I will give a very brief overview.

Some people may not even realize this, but the new 12 Ton Vans are going to be new tooling when compared to the existing vent vans. The HO vent vans are based on 12 Ton GWR vent vans, and while this vans did exist on the show, they were not as common as some other wagons. However, this new vans will be based on LNER 12 ton vans, just like the G and N Scale models.

The 12 Ton LNER vans first appeared in the Series 2, four of them were made for the show using Tenmille kits. In Series 7, many more were made, this time they were scratch built resin models. These new models would become the de facto vent van seen until the end of the HiT era. When the show went to CGI, the LNER vans would also be the only vent van model to survive the switchover, making them the sole vent van representation until the end of the series.





I have always wanted these wagons in HO, especially after they came to the G and N scale ranges. They were much more prevalent in the show when compared to the GWR 12 ton vent van model the HO scale had. However, I figured Bachmann would never go out of their way to introduce a new tooling when they could continue simply repainting what they already had, and I am very glad to have been proven wrong on that.

All this being said, there is a reason I find the Bachmann iteration of these vans to be so interesting, and that is the fact they are based on their model series counterparts, despite these vans being so prominent in CGI. This can easily be recognized by their vent sizes. Both the G and N scale models have small raised vents, a feature that was only seen on the Series 7 models. When Nitrogen modeled these wagons in CGI, they actually used an original Tenmille model as reference, meaning that it has a larger vent on each end. Even the colors of the original three vent vans introduced in G scale were based on the three colors the Series 7 vans were painted(Grey, Green, and Brown).





I find it very interesting that Bachmann is still able to use model series reference sheets when it comes to rolling stock. Although a CGI image was used for the promo in the announcement, Doug Blaine said that these wagons will be the exact same wagons seen in G and N scale ranges, just scaled to HO. This makes me hopeful that the same references are being used.

I personally really want the smaller vent variant to be made, because I feel I would give Bachmann the perfect opportunity to make a new Troublesome Truck in the future. Although crew members on the show have never outright stated it, many believe the Series 7 vans were given the modified vents in order to fit the large scale troublesome truck faces, which could not fit on the original models. Unfortunately, this never got to happen on screen due to the HiT Entertainment takeover. Some of those faces are iconic, and would make for a great troublesome truck. To me, this wagon would be the best way to make use of one of those faces. 







Here are some recent photos of the props, showing what a troublesome 12 Ton Van could look like, and some other potential faces. Although, it is worth noting that the specific reference sheet I posted does not contain every large scale van face on it. 

I would love to hear what other people think about these new wagons. I enjoy getting an excuse to talk about stuff like this, so hopefully some of you found my discussion of rolling stock interesting.

Also, I would like to shout out @LewRaccoon on Twitter for most of the photos.

Quote from: Armada Starscream on February 10, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
Not just any fan: One of the major voices in the Thomas Fandom as a whole. To me it was them saying to the fans "You are out there, and we see you."

Mattel obviously does not care about what the fans think of the show or Thomas' roots considering the new reboot series. Ryan Hagan and SiF have had insider connections at Mattel for quite a while, which is why he got a character named after him. It's not as though Mattel just did it out of the kindness of their heart to show how much they love the fans.

This is something I have been thinking about recently as well. I initially didn't mind these types of wagons when they were first introduced around 2015/2016. They added more variety to the range and Bachmann had made a lot of the rolling stock seen in the show at that point.  However, with the cream tanker and blue open wagon being discontinued recently, it makes me afraid that these kinds of wagons will take over the range in the future. A lot of them are gimmicky and don't have the same charm of the simple wagons because they don't look as though they belong on the show. But I guess charm doesn't matter when compared to sales, and if old wagons aren't selling, Bachmann is going to discontinue them. With all that being said, I don't completely hate these wagons, and there are quite a few I really like. I just don't enjoy seeing older products being replaced by new ones that look worse because Bachmann feels they need a gimmick to sell them. I am just glad Bachmann is making the Museum Coaches, it shows they are still willing to look to the show for new products. Hopefully we can get more rolling stock based directly on TVS in the future.

I would 100% buy a Bachmann Smudger. I personally don't care to much for the CGI series, so anything relating to the classic seasons is more likely to peak my interest, but I don't see Yellow Rheneas being too popular with anyone, regardless if you like the CGI series or not. Smudger would be a new character to the range, even if he is just a Rheneas repaint.I believe that alone gives him more appeal, and would make more people consider buying him.

I took some time to gather my thoughts regarding this year's announcements, and overall, I am quite happy.

Ryan definitely makes sense as Bachmann's next engine, he is a modern character and fits nicely with Daisy being announced. I would have personally preferred a model series character such as Stepney or Stanley, but I'm not disappointed. Ryan will be the largest engine Bachmann has made in quite a while so that's exciting to see. I'm sure his model will turn out great.

The museum coaches look great, I'm glad they gave them proper white rimmed wheels too. I initially didn't care too much for them, but after seeing how nice their models are, I will probably pick them up once released.

I have no interest in Yellow Rheneas. I'm not surprised there isn't a new engine announcement this year because of Covid and all the delays that occurred as a result, but Yellow Rheneas seems quite pointless.

I hope the new box vans turn out nice, I would love to see TV Series accurate open trucks as well, although I think they are just making these vans because they are already making breakevens that share the same tooling, but you never know what could happen in the future.

Toby and S.C. Ruffy are great choices for N Scale, I will probably pick these up one day.

G Scale Paxton is a nice surprise as well, and his face looks great. The new G scale wagons are nothing special, but it is always great to see them expanding the range.

The face on the motorized line wagon looks absolutely great! It is more in line with what I was hoping for when Bachmann announced Troublesome Truck #6, and I think tanker with a face like that would be great for a future troublesome truck model. I've suggested in the past that making a tanker with a classic face would be the perfect way to bring the TAR tanker back into the range, and I still stand by that, but the face is definitely the most important aspect. As long as it has a proper classic series face, the livery doesn't matter all to much to me.

I definitely agree with Chaz, I'm surprised Peter Sam hasn't been talked about more. I'm personally more excited for him than Daisy.

I would prefer the model series rear window, but I can't really see that happening. Either way, a small detail like isn't gonna make or break the model for me. I usually don't like models based on their CG appearance, but the NG engines have great CG models, so they have never bothered me.

I think Sir Handel is the clear choice for the next narrow gauge engine Bachmann should produce. Both Chaz and Elsbridge Productions bring up great points about the choices Bachmann has. I definitely think Sir Handel would stand out more due to his color alone, and his model will definitely do great with those who are looking to model engines from the Talyllyn Railway.

It is hard to say what Duncan will look like if he is made. I have heard that Bachmann got the measurements for their narrow gauge engines directly from their real life counterparts. I believe this to be true due to the amount of rivet detail on Skarloey that isn't present on his CG model in the television series. If this is the case, Duncan may have a lot of issues from his CGI model fixed. Although, issues regarding his livery will still likely be present, such as his gold lining and red running board. The worse case scenario is they do what they did with Rusty and just based it directly off the show. I can see them doing this because Duncan has always looked the least like his basis when compared to the other Skarloey Railway Steam Engines, even in the model series. His TVS design is much more simplistic, and they may decide to go with that because they don't want his design to stray from the show. I hope this isn't the case, but I guess we will have to wait and see if he ever does get made.

The CG Troublesome Trucks just don't have the same charm to me. I am fully expecting some sort of CG livery on the wagon itself, but I'm hoping the face is based on the model era. Bachmann knows how much people liked Troublesome Truck #5, and I hope they took that into consideration when designing #6.

In response to TerencetheTractor525's questions:

1. Yes, I would definitely buy a Stepney model.
2. Considering how popular classic characters seem to be, it's safe too assume that Bachmann Stepney would sell well.
3. Stepney is one of the few standard gauge tank engines that I would actually be excited for. I only really care for model series characters, and even popular characters such as Ryan just wouldn't be as interesting to me personally.

My predictions for the HO Thomas ranges in 2021:

Standard Gauge:
Stepney
Well Wagon With Load
Flatbed WIth Paint Drums (Reintroduction)
Red Express Coaches (Reintroduction)

Narrow Gauge:
Sir Handel
Green Coaches

Very displeased with this year's announcements when it comes to the HO Thomas and Friends range. Two repaints of the same character in one year is disappointing to say the least, especially when most people expected more for the 75th anniversary. Hyping up the announcement on Twitter didn't help either. It made it seem as though there was more to come. I am still optimistic that next year will be better, but it's unfortunate that nothing of interest was announced for the 75th anniversary, even photos of last year's announcements would have been nice.

One thing I appreciate about these forums is how honestly people express their opinions. On Twitter, everyone seems to be afraid to criticize Bachmann, especially now that Bachmann twitter account directly interacts with the fandom. I've seen many people state that we should be thankful for whatever Bachmann puts out. This is a ridiculous statement to me. The ones who buy these products have the right to state their minds if they are dissatisfied with their new product announcements. The Bachmann Thomas line is extremely successful, so they should listen to what people want. Hopefully most people don't get the wrong idea from this post, I am a huge fan of Bachmann and their products. I don't want to direct any hate at them, but if people want to voice their dissatisfaction in a respectful manner, I believe they should be able too.

Very in debt post post!

1. Yes, I would definitely buy a Stepney model.
2. Considering how popular classic characters seem to be, it's safe too assume that Bachmann Stepney would sell well.
3. Stepney is one of the few standard gauge tank engines that I would actually be excited for. I only really care for model series characters, and even popular characters such as Ryan just wouldn't be as interesting to me personally.

Quote from: Large Scale Champion on March 03, 2020, 10:34:01 AM
So how many of us actually collect Large Scale Thomas and what size is your collection?

I have just gotten in to the large scale range. My collection is quite small as of now, I originally bought the Percy Set to go around my Christmas Tree, but it really grew on me, and I have since purchased some more rolling stock. I don't plan on growing a massive collection, but Diesel has definitely peaked my interest.

I always love reading your posts Chaz, and I agree with everything you have stated here. As for your questions, I would definitely purchase a Bachmann Sir Handel. He also seems like the next logical choice for the all the reasons you have stated. For your last question, Sir Handel is undoubtably a fan favorite. I feel as though when ever I'm on Twitter, I see fans talking about Sir Handel more than any other narrow gauge engine. Plus, because he looks great in CGI, I think he would sell very well.