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SteamGene

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« on: March 24, 2009, 12:58:56 PM »

Without going to the Internet, where was/is the Tidewater Southern located?
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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2009, 01:13:47 PM »

Since I had previously researched this, I shall disquality myself. However I have stock in the present railroad.  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 01:19:37 PM »

OK, I've heard of the TS.  I believe it was in southern California, but I can't give you it's exact location. 
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 01:35:07 PM »

I think the "Southern" refers to the route, not to the base of operations.  Notice how many railroads were suffixed "Pacific" but never made it to the coast.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 01:43:26 PM »

Without going to the Internet, where was/is the Tidewater Southern located?
Gene
The Tidewater Southern ran between Stockton & Turlock, California. That area is nominally termed "Central California."

One interesting fact is that large ocean-going ships navigate through the San Francisco Bay, then up the Sacramento River to Stockton without the use of locks. When docked in Stockton, they are basically at 'tidewater' level, and thus the railroad's name.

The TS was both an electric interurban and freight operation. Quite a bit of the trackage is still in existence, now owned and operated by the Union Pacific.

There are several historical support groups including those folks who follow the Western Pacific, a previous owner of the TS.

Happy RRing,

Jerry
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 02:49:25 PM »

Yep.  The "Tidewater" threw me off.  I thought it was a rival of the OLD Norfolk Southern.  Not a chance.  Athearn plans on relasing a TS boxcar this year. 
And yes - the number of roads with "Pacific" in the name - or similar - who didn't make it.  My favorite is the St. Louis-San Francisco - how far west did it get?
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 03:03:48 PM »

My favorite is the St. Louis-San Francisco - how far west did it get?
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Tulsa, Oklahoma, maybe Advard Oklahoma which might be west of Tulsa.

It also got down to Dallas, but I think that Tulsa is farther west... not sure Roll Eyes With the Katy it ran the Texas Special.

I believe there was an article on this railroad in the fallen flags section of Classic Trains last year.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 04:42:09 PM »

St. Louis-San Francisco - how far west did they go?  They went to Quanah, Texas.  This is about 10 miles east of the sw corner of Oklahoma. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 04:58:41 PM »

David Moffat's Denver Northwestern & Pacific made it to Craig Co (6 miles west of our ranch) and ran out of money. In fact the railroad was to terminate in Salt Lake City, a major crossroads.

Then it became Denver Salt Lake Railway but that just got 3 depots built. (Steamboat, Hayden, Craig).  

Of course my favorite is Union Pacific, recently honored by Fortune magazine as "Most Admired Railroad".

How many railroads were suffixed "Southern" or "Pacific"? I can't find the right search keywords to bring up a list.
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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 05:21:28 PM »

In addition to the previous Tidewater Southern:
Norfolk Southern (original)
Norfolk Southern (current)
Wisconsin and Southern
Walkersville Southern
Southern
Southern Pacific
Delta Southern
Hardin Southern
Birmingham Southern
Alton and Southern
Kansas City Southern
Santa Fe Southern

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2009, 07:58:44 PM »

Rio Grande Southern
Georgia Southern (and Florida)
Chicago & Southern (Michigan)
Carolina Southern
Arkansas Southern
Confederate Southern (while under Confederate occupation)

Central Pacific
Western Pacific
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 08:10:38 PM »

Don't forget the Southern!
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 08:12:09 PM »

Missouri Pacific
Kansas Pacific
Colorado Southern
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« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2009, 08:35:19 PM »

Northern Pacific
Northwestern Pacific
Port Townsend Southern(my local railroad)
Puget Sound & Pacific
Denver South Park & Pacific
North Pacific Coast
South Pacific Coast
St. Louis Southwestern(I guse that kind of counts)
Pacific Coast Railway
Alambama Great Southern
Western Pacific
Pacific Electric
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« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2009, 08:59:09 PM »

I already mentioned the Southern! 
Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific
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